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- Stated ages: November 1869 - 25 (Nov 1843-Nov 1844) April 1871 - 24 (April 1846-April 1847) April 1881 - 37 (Apr 1843-Apr 1844) Death May 1886 - 40 (May 1845-May 1846)
Possible deaths
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Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Fredk. EDMUNDS Head M Male 37 Amberley, Worcester, England Raily Porter Maria EDMUNDS Wife M Female 31 Hadleigh, Essex, England Jonathon EDMUNDS Son Male 4 Camberwell, Surrey, England Walter Phil. EDMUNDS Son Male 2 Camberwell, Surrey, England Ernest R. EDMUNDS Son Male 1 m Camberwell, Surrey, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Source Information: Dwelling 81 Edmund St Census Place Camberwell, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341161 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0695 / 75 Page Number 44
Searched for Crompton
Oct-Nov-Dec 1845 CAA-CZZ 258 View Jan-Feb-Mar 1846 CAA-CZZ 286 View Apr-May-Jun 1846 CAA-CZZ 292 View Jul-Aug-Sep 1846 CAA-CZZ 268 View Oct-Nov-Dec 1846 CAA-CZZ 275 View Jan-Feb-Mar 1847 CAA-CZZ 285 View Apr-May-Jun 1847 CAA-CZZ 270 View Jul-Aug-Sep 1847 CAA-CZZ 250 View Oct-Nov-Dec 1847 CAA-CZZ 250 View
Dear Laurence,
I have completed my search for the records of your ancestor, Frederick Edmonds, whom you believed to be a Corporal with the Scots Fusilier Guards at the time of his marriage in 1869. There is not actually a regiment known as the Scots Fusilier Guards, but there are the Scots Guards and the Royal Scottish Fusiliers, so I commenced my search by checking the discharge papers for both of these regiments as follows:
WO 97/1378, Scots Guards, 1855-1872
WO 97/1861, Foot Guards, 1873-1882
WO 97/1461, Royal Scots Fusiliers, 1855-1872
WO 97/1948, Infantry, 1873-1882
The records for the period 1873-1882 are divided into Foot Guards and Infantry as opposed to specific regiments. There were no papers for Frederick in any of these sets of documents.
I then searched the muster rolls of the Royal Scots Fusiliers (also known as the 21st of Foot) for the period 1869-1870. The musters of the 1st battalion were held in WO 12/3838, and those of the 2nd battalion were in WO 12/3863. Frederick did not appear in any of these musters.
I then searched the musters of the Scots Guards for the same period, held in WO 12/1872, and Frederick was present throughout the set of musters, which covered April 1869 to March 1870. The battalion was based At Home. Frederick was Private No 1683 until 21st October 1869, when he was promoted to Corporal vice (in place of) Trump. Frederick did not appear on the Married Roll of the musters. This does not mean that he was not married, but it means that his wife was not accompanying him in the barracks.
I then traced the musters backwards and found that Frederick enlisted on 29th December 1865. The voucher number next to his name was 7, which denotes that he was recruited in the Gloucester area. This information was held in WO 12/1868.
I then jumped forwards to find when Frederick discharged. I searched the musters of 1875-1876, held in WO 12/1878, but Frederick was no longer listed at this time. I then searched backwards and found that he discharged by purchase, whilst still a Corporal, on 5th June 1871. He was stationed in London at the time and paid £18 in order to discharge. He had served for a period of 5 years and 5 months.
I then searched the relevant Non-Effectives page, which was held together with the above muster in WO 12/1874, and this showed that he was born in Worcester and that his trade upon enlistment was that of a gilder. Frederick did not appear on any of the Married Rolls contained within the musters. I also noted in the muster of 1870-1871, held in WP 12/1873, that he was on furlough (vacation) from 17th to 25th January 1871. The battalion was stationed in London and Dublin during this muster.
Finally, I searched the Regimental and Chaplains’ Returns of Births and Marriages, but there were no relevant listings for the time of Frederick’s service. I checked under both Edmonds and Edmunds, although Frederick only in fact appears under the former spelling throughout the musters.
I have copied the relevant documents and will send them to you in tomorrow’s post. We agreed a fee of 63 pounds, which you kindly paid in advance. I hope that you find this report and the copies obtained to be of interest.
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-----Original Message----- From: Kent_Police_Museum [mailto:Kent_Police_Museum@classicfm.net] Sent: 21 November 2003 11:16 To: Karen Mann Subject: RE: Kent Police records
Dear Mr Mann
Thank you for contacting the Kent Police Museum with your enquiry.
I do have one Frederick Edmonds on my file. He joined the Kent County Constabulary on 18/11/1872 and resigned on 20/4/1874. No reason is given in our skeletal records. His collar number was 156, he was a single man on application to the force, and they are the only details I can furnish you with, as the book that contains all the personal details of officers from 1857 to 1874 is missing.(see the home page of our website).
I wish you well in all your future researches.
Yours in friendship, John Endicott, Curator, Kent Police Museum, The Historic Dockyard, Chatham, Kent ME4 4TZ 01634-403260 Servo Per Amikeco
www.kent-police-museum.co.uk
EDMONDS IN VITAL RECORDS INDEX FOR ABBERLEY
EDMONDS, Betsy Anne Chr 1847 Engl Worc Abberl Fa: Thomas EDMONDS Mo: Sarah EDMONDS, Hellen Chr 1850 Engl Worc Abberl Fa: Thomas EDMONDS Mo: Sarah EDMONDS, James Chr 1851 Engl Worc Abberl Fa: James EDMONDS Mo: Anne EDMONDS, Amy Chr 1852 Engl Worc Abberl Fa: Thomas EDMONDS Mo: Sarah EDMONDS, William Thomas Chr 1854 Engl Worc Abberl Fa: Thomas EDMONDS Mo: Sarah
In the 1851 census this is the entry:
Glazard Green , Abberley
Thomas EDMUNDS - Head M 26 - Tailor Bayton Worcs Sarah EDMUNDS - Wife M 25 - Lindridge Worcs Betsey EDMUNDS Dau U 3 Abberley Worcs Ellen EDMUNDS Dau U 1 Abberley Worcs Mary MILLS -Mother in law Wid 56 Annuitant - Lindridge Worcs
But no Frederick. So very unlikely.
Marriages Mar 1846 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------
BARKER Eliza Tenbury 18 509 Drew Thomas Tenbury 18 509 Edmonds Thomas Tenbury 18 509 Edmunds Thomas Tenbury 18 509 Jordan Elisabeth Tenbury 18 509 Jordan Elizabeth Tenbury 18 509 Millisard Francis Tenbury 18 509 Mills Sarah Tenbury 18 509 Millisard Francis Tenbury 18 509 Mills Sarah Tenbury 18 509
So probably was Sarah Mills. Son George Edmonds born and died in same quarter.
Amy is in the 1871 census. Also this is her birth record:
Births Mar 1852 Edmonds Amy Martley 6c 258
George Edmonds
1851 Furniture Broker, 24 Thomas Street, Bristol. From Mathew's Directory, 1851. p108
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1847 - 1886 (42 years)
