Philip ROBLIN, UE^{[1, 2]}

- 1788

• Name	Philip ROBLIN  [3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
  Suffix	UE
  Birth	Y  [4, 8, 9]
  Christening	Y  [9]
  	There is a disputed christening for Philip of: 25 Mar 1753, Bristol, , Gloucestershire, England Christ Church However as per the email from Linda Herman that does not seem to match with the facts at hand.
  Gender	Male
  _UID	4D4FB818E02A4393A2CF92A37E2028BD7589
  Residence	Abt 1755	Troy, Rensselaer, New York, United States   [8]
  	From a 1889 biographical note about Sir Rodmond Roblin: "Family of Welsh Extraction; came to America in 1755 and settled in York State near the now city of Troy" In 1755 the Manor of Rensellaerswyck covered most of the land around what is now Troy. Perhaps the two young Roblin boys spent a period as indentured servants at the Manor or the newby Livingston Manor.
  Residence	Bef 1769	Bergen County, New Jersey, USA   [8]
  Residence	1769-1772	Monroe, Orange, New York, United States   [8]
  	"Philip Roblon" from "Bargain" [Bergen] County, in the province of East N.J. Paid John Belcher 170 pounds in the form of a mortgage on 75 acres. One half portion of Cheesecock Patent Lot 53.
  Church Attendance	1774	Warwick, Orange, New York, USA   [10]
  	Members of the Old School Baptist Church
  		Old School Baptist Church Warwick NY.jpg
  Event	1775	Monroe, Orange, New York, United States   [9]
  	Signd a Pledge of Assoication
  	"To adopt and endeavor to carry into execution whatever measures may be recommended by the Continental Congress and resolved by our Provincial Convention for purpose and preserving our Constitution and opposing the execution of the several Arbitrary Acts of British Parliament, until a reconciliation between Great Britain and America on Constitutional principals (which we most ardently desire) can be obtained and that we will in all things follow the advice of our General Committee respecting the purposes aforesaid, the preservation of peace and good order and the safety of individuals and property."
  Event	1776	Cornwall, Orange, New York, USA   [8, 10]
  Church Attendance	8 Mar 1777	Warwick, Orange, New York, USA   [10]
  	Warwick Baptist Church
  	March 8 1777 listed as church members in a vote to move church to Westmoreland PA. The move was cancelled due to the war and an Indian attack upon the church members who went to view the new location * Records of Pastor James Benedict
  Inheritance	1778	Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA   [10]
  Residence	1771-1779	Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA   [10]
  	They farmed 150 acres of leased land near what is now the city of Monroe, Orange County, New York. At the time of the Revolutionary War, the area was called Smith's Clove, a clove being a cleft between two mountain ranges.
  Residence	1772-1779	Monroe, Orange, New York, United States   [8]
  	Sold his purchased 75 acres of Lot 53 back to John Belcher for 85 pounds. Leased 150 acres of lot 51 from 1772-1779
  Convicted	Oct 1779	Monroe, Orange, New York, United States   [8]
  	Act of Attainder was passed by the New York legislature which provided a legal basis for the seizure of the property of thow who opposed the American Revolution. The Orange County lands of both Philip and his brother Owen were seized and both brothers were impreisoned for months.
  Event	1782	Orange County, New York, USA   [10]
  	In the "History of Orange County" by E.M.Ruttenber , there is not so flattering account of
  Immigration	1783	Qu   [10]
  	He and his brother Owen are listed as being on board the "HOPE" out of New York to Quebec July 4- Aug 18. The "Hope" was a brig of 40 guns accompanying 7 ships of Van Alstine's party
  Residence	1779-1783	New York, New York, New York, USA   [8, 10]
  	Both
  Residence	1783	Sorel, , Qu   [10]
  	Over the winter, Philip, Elizabeth, 3 sons and 2 daughters.
  Emigration	Sep 1783	New York, New York, New York, USA   [8]
  	To Canada
  Residence	19 Nov 1783	Sorel, , Qu   [2]
  	Philip Roblin's name first appears in Canada on an nominal roll of refugee Loyalists who drew clothing at Sorel Quebec on 19 Nov 1783, Philip signing a receipt for the same. At this time his family consisted of a wife, one son over ten years of age, two children under six and two over six.
  Muster Roll of Loyalists	2 Feb 1784  [2]
  	Philip Roblin with a wife, three sons over ten and two daughters under ten.
  Residence	16 Jun 1784	Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada   [8, 10]
  	6 000 of the 10 000 disbanded troops and Loyalists who had gathered at Sorel were settled in the western townships along the Saint Lawrence river and in the Bay of Quinte area. In addition some 900 "Associated" Loyalists who were taken from New York to Quebec were settled at Adolphustown and Kingston. Philip Roblin was an "Associated" Loyalist with Peter Ruttan's company. Later that summer, the Loyalists drew lots to determine where their new farms were to be found.
  		The Loyalist Landing Place.jpg
  Muster Roll of Loyalists	5 Oct 1784	Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada   [2]
  Death	1788	Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada   [4]
  Event	4 Feb 1788  [10]
  	In his statement of claim to the Loyalist Commissioners in Montreal,
  Name	John ROBLIN  [11]
  Name	Philip John ROBLIN
  Residence	4 Feb 1788	Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada   [2]
  	Lot 24 Con 3
  	South Shore of Hay Bay
  Burial	Y  [10]
  	He is likely buried in the "Old Adolphustown Burying Ground" on the 4th concession along the north shore of Hay Bay or in the UEL cemetery at Adolphustown.
  Person ID	I4013	Ryeland Family Tree
  Last Modified	27 Jun 2019

  
  

  Father	Philip ROBLIN,   b. Abt 1725, Wales, United Kingdom d. Yes, date unknown
  Mother	Anne MEREDITH   d. Yes, date unknown
  Marriage	8 Oct 1749	Doynton, , Gloucestershire, England   [9]
  	"of the parish St. Philip and Jacob" in Bristol. They subsequently became associated with Christchurch parish. Bristol Record Office, Bristol, England (BRO), "Bishop's Transcripts, Gloucestershire #5", microfiche record FCEP/V/4/67(a)13, for Doynton. Also, ancestry.com search record FHL Film #1595996, Item 8.
  Family ID	F2728	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Elizabeth Esther MILLER,   b. 10 Aug 1754, Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA d. 6 Jun 1815, Cannifton, Hastings, ON, Canada (Age 60 years)
  Marriage	Abt 1769	Orange County, New York, USA   [1, 10]
  	1774 in some sources Aug 10 1754 in others
  Children	1. Rev John Palen ROBLIN,   b. 2 May 1771, Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA d. 28 Feb 1813, Richmond Township, Lennox-Addington, Ontario, Canada (Age 41 years)   2. Philip ROBLIN, UE,   b. 17 Dec 1772, Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA d. 17 May 1848, Sophiasburgh Township, Prince Edward County, Ontario, Canada (Age 75 years)   3. Owen Philip ROBLIN,   b. 1 Dec 1774, Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA d. 16 Feb 1845, Ameliasburgh, Ameliasburg Township, Prince Edward, Ontario, Canada (Age 70 years)   4. Mary ROBLIN,   b. 1778, New York, USA d. 17 Jun 1853, Fredricksburgh Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada (Age 75 years)   5. Elizabeth ROBLIN,   b. 15 Jun 1782, Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada d. 25 Feb 1867, Cannifton, Hastings, ON, Canada (Age 84 years)   6. Nancy Ann ROBLIN,   b. 16 Dec 1784, Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada d. 1 Aug 1872, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada (Age 87 years)   7. Fanny ROBLIN,   b. 22 Feb 1787, Northport, Sophiasburgh Township, Prince Edward County, Ontario, Canada d. 19 Mar 1841, Northport, Sophiasburgh Township, Prince Edward County, Ontario, Canada (Age 54 years)   8. David ROBLIN,   b. 9 Apr 1788, Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada d. 23 Nov 1867, Sidney Township, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada (Age 79 years)
  Family ID	F1236	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	27 Nov 2014

  
  

• Event Map

  Residence - Abt 1755 - Troy, Rensselaer, New York, United States Residence - Bef 1769 - Bergen County, New Jersey, USA Marriage - Abt 1769 - Orange County, New York, USA Residence - 1769-1772 - Monroe, Orange, New York, United States Church Attendance - Members of the Old School Baptist Church - 1774 - Warwick, Orange, New York, USA Event - Signd a Pledge of Assoication - 1775 - Monroe, Orange, New York, United States Event - 1776 - Cornwall, Orange, New York, USA Church Attendance - Warwick Baptist Church - 8 Mar 1777 - Warwick, Orange, New York, USA Inheritance - 1778 - Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA Residence - 1771-1779 - Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA Residence - 1772-1779 - Monroe, Orange, New York, United States Convicted - Oct 1779 - Monroe, Orange, New York, United States Event - 1782 - Orange County, New York, USA Immigration - 1783 - Qu Residence - 1779-1783 - New York, New York, New York, USA Residence - 1783 - Sorel, , Qu Emigration - Sep 1783 - New York, New York, New York, USA Residence - 19 Nov 1783 - Sorel, , Qu Residence - 16 Jun 1784 - Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada Muster Roll of Loyalists - 5 Oct 1784 - Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada Death - 1788 - Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada Residence - Lot 24 Con 3 - 4 Feb 1788 - Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada  = Link to Google Earth

  
  

• Notes

  b. say 1745, d. 1788. He was in Orange Co., New York, at the birth of his son Philip about 1771, and the name of Philip Roblin appears in a list somewhat vaguely described as comprising "the individuals who held a town office of some kind ... from 1765 to 1775 ... in Cornwall, Bloominggrove and Monroe," printed in Eager's Outline History of Orange County (1847). The three towns referred to lie in the south-east part of the county, and Cornwall was the home of his father-in-law. The names of Philip Roblin and his presumed brother Owen Roblin appear side-by-side in an undated but contemporary list of refugees "bound for Nova Scotia," his family consisting (besides himself) of one woman and four children. Next, the names of Philip and Owen Roblin appear close together in an undated list, presumed to be from 1784, of Loyalists in "Quebec" (which then included present-day Ontario), Philip being called a carpenter, and his family consisting of one man (himself), one woman, one male child over 12, 2 males 6-12, and 2 females under 6 years (another daughter having evidently been born since the family's arrival in Nova Scotia). His Loyalist petition, presented at Montr [2, 4, 5, 6, 12, 13] (Research):Stephen Roblin says he was born in New Jersey. Philip Roblin says he is a "native" of America to me this says they were born in the US. We know that Philip came to Orange County from Bergen County. I do not believe that any of them were born in either England or Wales. I have seen nothing that supports that. Our earliest Roblin was in America by 1722 and owned land in PA. He lost his land due to unpaid taxes and disappears by 1727. I believe this Owen Roblin is either the father or grandfather of our Roblin group. There is a baptism in New Jersey of a Catherina Roblin Jun 5, 1741 by Owen and Rebecca Roblin.....this could be the same Owen that was in PA or it could be a son. In addition there is a Peter Roblin who family say came from PA to South Carolina and received a land grant there in 1741. DNA testing about 2 yrs ago indicate that this Peter Roblins is related to the families of both Philip Roblin and Owen Roblin.....though his name has changed over the years to Robling. The land he held in SC was named Roblyn's Neck. I believe that the Owen Roblin of PA and Peter Roblin are related and could be brothers. Petition for land - Stephen Roblin June 16, 1797...wherein he said he was born in state of New Jersey. Granted 300 acres 24June 1797. In his claim he says "he was at Sorell in the Fall of '83. Is a native of America Resided in Orange Co. ..... There is a family in Wales that interests me greatly as it has the names of our New Jersey/New York Roblins and the names of Peters family.....his son names his son Lewis, which is a unique name for the Roblin family. Philip ROBLIN " WILL: 1663, East walton, Pembroke, Wales Family 1 : ELIZABETH 1. Alice ROBLIN 2. Lewis ROBLIN 3. Penelope ROBLIN 4. John ROBLIN 5. Henry ROBLIN 6. Peter ROBLIN 7. George ROBLIN 8. Owen ROBLIN 9. Elizabeth ROBLIN Ann who is suppose to have married Nicholas Wessels was suppose to have been a sister to John and Stephen who came from New Jersey. We have never had any proof that she actually existed. We do know that Nicholas was married to Ann Smith, that we have proof of. So though I have kept Ann Roblin as Nicholas's first wife, there is no proof. I believe there is another sister for Stephen, John and Ann. This is based on the treason charged against Stephen....he is identified in those charges as "Stephen of Harrington Twp, Bergen" May 1783 Maria Roblin of Harrington Twp married Cornelius J. Westervelt. Because they both lived in the same twp and the name Roblin is not common I believe they are siblings. There is also a Catherine Roblin who married Yellis/Giles Mandeville abt 1795 in Wantgo, Sussex Co but I have no idea of how she fits into this. And there is an Abraham Roblin b. 1764 who lived in New York and died Sept 29, 1820, who had a son Edward. Abraham died while in the military when a bridge collapsed in Westmoreland, NH.AS you probably know, Edward the brother of Owen and Philip seems to disappear, no one has traced him. I find it very interesting that Abraham names a son Edward. The story goes that Edward went to Nova Scotia, but I believe that is incorrect. Owen and Philip are on a list of settlers going to Nova Scotia but went to Ontario instead and I think that is where that story comes from. Edward is not on that list with them. Re Edward, you ask where he is found there are several mentions of him in Orange County records, He was a known member of the Claudius Smith gang and there is an amusing story of him being jailed and talking the jailors daughter into helping him escape. If you simply google Edward Roblin of Orange County New York you will come up with a whole list of articles about him. He has been considered the "bandit" of the Roblin family but Philip too was arrested for his activities, people do not seem to know that. Sept 1782 List of Refugess bound for Nova Scotia (Loyalists in the American Revolution, Loyalists in the Southern Campaign, Volume III, Refugees - pg 392) Philip Roblin 1-1-4 Owin Roblin 1-1-4 Richard Smith 1-1-1 (son of Claudius Smith) George Galloway 1-1-2 (witness for Philip Roblin's land petition) I am a Wessels descendant, my grandmothers mother was a Wessels. Nicholas Wessels was suppose to have married Ann Roblin. Nicholas's sister, Sarah married John Roblin. Until recently we believed that Sarah died in 1817 or 1821 (can't remember) this is incorrect. It comes from the belief that Sarah left her property in PE Co to Stephen Wessels, this also is incorrect. In 1817 (I think it was registered 1821) she sold the property to Stephen. Sarah went on to remarry and had another child, she did not die until 1840. After her death her husband and her son John Roblin tried to reclaim the property she had sold, which by that time was in the hands of Owen Wessels who helped him develop the property and build a church on it. They were not successful and John Jr died before the case was finished. It is also believed that Owen Roblin Jr and Elizabeth Roblin were the children of John Roblin and Sarah Wessels, This too is incorrect, I wrote a proof that Owen Roblin was the son of Owen Roblin Sr years ago and I think that is accepted at this point. The fact that Elizabeth is not a child of John and Sarah has not been as widely shared and I am not sure how many people know about this. I have a proof for that as well....the basic fact is that Sarah was not old enough to have been Elizabeth's mother.....there are other things as well that indicate that Elizabeth is the "missing" 4th child of Owen Roblin Sr who came to Ontario with 4 children, two over the age of 10 and 2 under the age of 10. If you have any interest in this I can share that with you. Well, this has not proved to be such a "quick" response but that is it in a nutshell. I do not support the birth of any of our Roblin's as being from England or Wales. I do believe that they came from Wales but that the parents of our Roblin were here before the birth of our oldest known Ontario settlers. Will take a look at your poster later, I am presently working on the Stickle family and am in the process of selling my house and arranging to move out of the US. You say...Based on British records that have recently come online, it does seem more and more like Owen, Ann, Philip, John & Stephen were all siblings and that their father was Philip (bef.1725-aft.1769) with Owen's mother being Grace Meredith, possibly dying in childbirth and the other four's mother Anne Meredith (probably Grace's sister, maybe a twin). Have you info that would put this interpretation into question? I would be VERY interested in what records you refer to,....I know another Roblin researcher has put together a theory that our Roblins were born in England but I think it is wrong and that he is manipulating what information he has to make it fit his theory and have told him as much and have not heard back from him again. I have about ten online trees on Ancestry....and do have some of my Roblin information there: 1) Owen Roblin Tree..http://person.ancestry.com/tree/63886267/person/44111206480/facts and 2) John Roblin and Sarah Wessels Tree http://person.ancestry.com/tree/71033516/person/42227975890/facts Regards, Linda Herman:

  
  

• Sources

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