Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: B0620A6D03054AB7B33FE44A260DB1C2587F
• Occupation: Between 29 Dec 1865 and 5 Jun 1871; Scots Fusilier Guards
• Occupation: 18 Nov 1869; Corporal Scots Fusilier Guards
• Residence: 18 Nov 1869; Wellington Barracks
• Census: 1871; Stated As Born In Worcester Ombersley Aged 24 And Unmarried!!!
• Occupation: 1871; Corporal, 2nd Battalion Scots Fusilier Guards
• Residence: 1871; Wellington Barracks
• Occupation: Between 18 Nov 1872 and 20 Apr 1874; Police Constable
• Residence: 31 Mar 1873, Knole Hill, Wilmington, Dartford, , Kent, England
• Census: 1881, Camberwell, Surrey, England; 81 Edmund St
• Occupation: 1881; Railway Porter
• Occupation: 11 Jul 1884; Railway Porter
• Residence: 11 Jul 1884, Camberwell, Surrey, England; 81 Edmund St

Notes:

Stated ages: November 1869 - 25 (Nov 1843-Nov 1844) April 1871 - 24 (April 1846-April 1847) April 1881 - 37 (Apr 1843-Apr 1844) Death May 1886 - 40 (May 1845-May 1846)



Possible deaths


-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Fredk. EDMUNDS Head M Male 37 Amberley, Worcester, England Raily Porter Maria EDMUNDS Wife M Female 31 Hadleigh, Essex, England Jonathon EDMUNDS Son Male 4 Camberwell, Surrey, England Walter Phil. EDMUNDS Son Male 2 Camberwell, Surrey, England Ernest R. EDMUNDS Son Male 1 m Camberwell, Surrey, England


-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Source Information: Dwelling 81 Edmund St Census Place Camberwell, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341161 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0695 / 75 Page Number 44

Searched for Crompton

Oct-Nov-Dec 1845 CAA-CZZ 258 View Jan-Feb-Mar 1846 CAA-CZZ 286 View Apr-May-Jun 1846 CAA-CZZ 292 View Jul-Aug-Sep 1846 CAA-CZZ 268 View Oct-Nov-Dec 1846 CAA-CZZ 275 View Jan-Feb-Mar 1847 CAA-CZZ 285 View Apr-May-Jun 1847 CAA-CZZ 270 View Jul-Aug-Sep 1847 CAA-CZZ 250 View Oct-Nov-Dec 1847 CAA-CZZ 250 View


Dear Laurence,



I have completed my search for the records of your ancestor, Frederick Edmonds, whom you believed to be a Corporal with the Scots Fusilier Guards at the time of his marriage in 1869. There is not actually a regiment known as the Scots Fusilier Guards, but there are the Scots Guards and the Royal Scottish Fusiliers, so I commenced my search by checking the discharge papers for both of these regiments as follows:



WO 97/1378, Scots Guards, 1855-1872

WO 97/1861, Foot Guards, 1873-1882



WO 97/1461, Royal Scots Fusiliers, 1855-1872

WO 97/1948, Infantry, 1873-1882



The records for the period 1873-1882 are divided into Foot Guards and Infantry as opposed to specific regiments. There were no papers for Frederick in any of these sets of documents.



I then searched the muster rolls of the Royal Scots Fusiliers (also known as the 21st of Foot) for the period 1869-1870. The musters of the 1st battalion were held in WO 12/3838, and those of the 2nd battalion were in WO 12/3863. Frederick did not appear in any of these musters.


I then searched the musters of the Scots Guards for the same period, held in WO 12/1872, and Frederick was present throughout the set of musters, which covered April 1869 to March 1870. The battalion was based At Home. Frederick was Private No 1683 until 21st October 1869, when he was promoted to Corporal vice (in place of) Trump. Frederick did not appear on the Married Roll of the musters. This does not mean that he was not married, but it means that his wife was not accompanying him in the barracks.


I then traced the musters backwards and found that Frederick enlisted on 29th December 1865. The voucher number next to his name was 7, which denotes that he was recruited in the Gloucester area. This information was held in WO 12/1868.


I then jumped forwards to find when Frederick discharged. I searched the musters of 1875-1876, held in WO 12/1878, but Frederick was no longer listed at this time. I then searched backwards and found that he discharged by purchase, whilst still a Corporal, on 5th June 1871. He was stationed in London at the time and paid

Birth:
Ombersley Amberley Or Abberley

Died:
Brookwood Asylum,

Frederick married Maria WOOD on 18 Nov 1869 in Westminster, , , England. Maria (daughter of Jonathan WOOD and Maria LOCKWOOD) was born on 7 Jun 1849 in Hadleigh, , Essex, England; died after 1901 in Camberwell, Surrey, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: D40B0595CACB4CBF9F2C1F2CDF4929A222A9
• Occupation: 1891, Labourer
• Alt. Birth: Between 1872 and 1873, Wilmington, , Kent, England; Alt. Birth
• Residence: 1881; With Uncle? Jonathan Wood In Hadleigh As "Scholar"

Notes:

Births Jun 1873 EDMONDS Frederick Arthur Dartford 2a 362

Died:
Not Found In Census For 1901

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: CB79DD8F26FA4BC19046D6F9A64F8A5C5C9D

Notes:

Birth:
Possibly Mar 1875 Lambeth 1D 446

Died:
Not In 1891 Census

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 14724D1955A14552BE3C7F7E7C497220C7B7

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: A6795D0D1DE94A33B6A5984E012676675156
• Occupation: 1901, Carman (probably)
• Residence: 1901
• Residence: 1901; Also Down At 39 Bournemouth Rd With Maria Matthews And Stepfather

Notes:

Beatrice May Mann remembers going to see the funeral and being ticked off for waving at the coffin.



All I know about Walter Philip Edmonds (WPE). He had already died in 1938 when my parents married as he is marked as deceased on their marriage cert. He was alive in 1932; my father finished his seven year bookbinding apprenticeship in 1930 and couldn't find a job because of the depression. He was unemployed for 18 months and eventually went to work at the same place as his father (WPE) which means WPE was still working in 1932.



I have a photograph of WPE and Margaret Edmonds/Vines taken in their garden (date unknown) and they are with another lady unknown to me. This lady also appears in another photograph surrounded by 4 men who are obviously related to each other. She is holding the arm or two of them but it is unclear whether they are her sons or younger brothers. Someone has written the names of the men on the border of the photograph - Keith, Jack, Phil and Will - any ideas?



On WPE and Margaret Vines marriage cert (Sept 1906) the two witnesses are George Arthur Vines and Ada Minnie Vines - she is a new name to me, do you know where she fits? Also on the marriage certificate Frederick Crompton Edmonds is shown as a soldier and still alive - at least he is not marked as deceased. Not sure if that helps or hinders you



Further background information - Margaret Vines, at the time of her marriage to her first husband (Dec 1890) was living at 40 Holyoake Road and her new husband at 110 Brook Street - presumably both in the Kennington, London area. Father-in-law Thomas Gosheron was already deceased.



My father was quite a forceful character and did not discuss his family ever within my hearing, which is why I thought there wasn't any! Eddie Edmonds (married to Joan, who you call Aunt Joan) was my godfather so I knew we were related.

Evelyn (Eve) Jackson/Edmonds

Residence:
58 Sussex Road Norwood (Probably)

Walter married Margaret Alice VINES on 9 Sep 1906 in St Peter's Church, Walworth, , Surrey, England. Margaret was born in 1869 in Lambeth, , Surrey, England; died on 12 Feb 1943 in Camberwell, Surrey, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 9CADD414E7A24CAC8BB5781DE499853AC398

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 1FD0A478DCAF426EB8F230426EAD40A66324

Family/Spouse: Frederick HARRIS. Frederick and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: D8C9202F9A614F1AA84B7D71278637CAE3A3
• Occupation: 1901, Traveller'sBoy
• Residence: 1891; With Widowed Mother
• Residence: 1901; Quite Likely In Children's Home 81 Blackfriars Rd Was This The Christchurch Workhouse? As Henry Edmonds- Also Known As British School

Notes:

PRO Reference Schedule Number RG Number, Series Piece Folio Page RG13 359 85 32 199


Address 81 Blackfriars Rd Civil Parish Rural District Christ Church Town or Village or Hamlet Parliamentary Borough or Division West Southwark Ecclesiastical Parish Administrative County Christ Church London County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Ward of Municipal Borough or Urban District




Alfred H Durnford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Head M 42 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Superintendent Of Boys Home Worker Dorset Catestock Language Infirmity




Sarah J Durnford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Wife M 42 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Matron Of Boys Home Worker London Southwark Language Infirmity




Alfred H Durnford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Son S 19 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Architects Clerk Worker Bournemouth Language Infirmity




Alice P Durnford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Daughter S 17 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Stationers Assistant Worker London Shepherd Bush Language Infirmity




Hilier De C Smith Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 19 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Electrical Assistant Worker Winchester St Cross ... Language Infirmity




William Alice Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Freed Lact Finisher Worker London Camden Town Language Infirmity




John Ayers Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Book Binders Assistant Worker London Hackney Language Infirmity




John Bowling Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Tailors Presser Worker London Marylebone Language Infirmity




Maurice Bradshaw Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 18 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Boot Laster Worker Birmingham Language Infirmity




Walter Brooks Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Book Binder Messenger Worker Leicester Language Infirmity




William Bull Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Stone Boy To Distiller Worker London Shoreditch Language Infirmity




Frank Braddy Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printer Boy Worker London Lewicham Language Infirmity




Albert E Bayford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Brushmaker Pan Hard Worker Tottenham Middx Language Infirmity




Alfred Cooper Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Last Makers Messenger Worker Berkshire Language Infirmity




William Cuttle Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Book Binders Messenger Worker London S Kensington Language Infirmity




Henry Clarke Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born House Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




Ernest Chapman Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 19 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Van Guard Worker Wiltshire Language Infirmity




Arthur Dennis Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 18 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker London Islington Language Infirmity




Henry Edmonds Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Travellers Boy Worker London Camberwell Language Infirmity




Charles Fenwick Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 14 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printers Boy Worker London Bow Language Infirmity




Albert Turner Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Errand Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




William C Griffin Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 18 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker London Southwark Language Infirmity




Arthur Holland Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Warehouse Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




Fredk Hoggarty Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Boot Maker Worker London Holloway Language Infirmity




Thomas Haylen Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 14 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Messenger Worker London Greenwich Language Infirmity




Ashley Jermyn Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printers Boy Worker London Vauxhall Language Infirmity




William Ludlow Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker London Hackney Language Infirmity




Alfred Langdon Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker London Kensington Language Infirmity




William Luck Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Dresser Worker London City Language Infirmity




Thomas Little Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Boots Maker Worker London City Clerkenwell Language Infirmity




William J Marsh Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Kitchen Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




Alfred Mitchell Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Boot Maker Worker London Kentish Town Language Infirmity




William North Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printers Assistant Worker London Islington Language Infirmity




Ernest Alice Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Warehouse Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




John Parker Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Potters Assistant Worker London Shoreditch Language Infirmity




William Rouce Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Paper Sorter Worker London Notting Hill Language Infirmity




Henry Stevens Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Tailors Porter Worker London Marylebone Language Infirmity




William Sennock Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Blind Mans Guide Worker Bristol Glos Language Infirmity




Daniel Hynes Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printer Worker London Islington Language Infirmity




William Scot Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 14 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Clerk To Barrister Worker London Bloomsbury Language Infirmity




Henry Swift Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printers Boy Worker Nottingham Language Infirmity




George Shand Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Messenger Worker London Shoreditch Language Infirmity




Thomas Smith Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Warehouse Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




William P Vasper Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




Edward Ward Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Kitchen Boy Worker London Chelsea Language Infirmity




Jonothan Pitman Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Warehouse Boy Worker London Kentish Town Language Infirmity




Frederick Thomas Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Messenger Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity





Birth:
81 Edmund St

Edgar married Alice Elizabeth VINES on 26 Sep 1915 in Camberwell, London, Middlesex, England. Alice was born on 20 May 1889 in Camberwell, Surrey, England; died on 8 Dec 1940 in Camberwell, Surrey, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 6BA4617263B64D95986052D181CF8DAB80B0
• Occupation: flour blender & bookbinder
• Residence: Between 1938 and 1953, Camberwell, Surrey, England; 40 Rainbow Street
• Residence: Between 1953 and 1986, Camberwell, Surrey, England; 25 Rainbow Street

Notes:

Birth:
11 Caldew Street

Died:
King's College Hospital

Walter married Maude Rose EDWARDS on 23 Jul 1938 in Camberwell, Surrey, England. Maude was born on 7 Sep 1909 in Camberwell, Surrey, England; died on 25 Nov 1995 in Camberwell, Surrey, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 64D45F6CB18E4826B374702EF643122EEE23

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: D09539B14B2A4DC1A1E7534450AEAAF48D24

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: EF163A5982CB416DB48517D5B74608DF9CAE

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 100B1F627ED143618B7EAA03625C4DFF4F45

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 81F05E8685764D43B6C859BBF520AD6CA09C

Family/Spouse: Frederick HARRIS. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 98D1F5049D814783B73FA10BF45EB38D7EEC

Family/Spouse: Ronald CLAYTON. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 6C361F544D7D49A399C4604157939BD11F35

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 8B98D22E1DEC46168234EDA0A3F555DA9285

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 27BC6A3296624B88AE9313EC4165375EC540

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: E0C281A59E4F4B5CBC2DC718C7C60FC0804D

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: CC8DCC2531D844A69B6C2A4858E26AFC5624

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 1A4E34D85C4F4F5EBA1870F95D7391B31BB2