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Settled in Thurlow

Nancy married Robert BRYDEN on 25 Nov 1869 in Thurlow Twp., Hastings Co., ON, Canada. Robert was born on 28 Feb 1843; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Annie BOYDEN was born in 1873 in Ontario, Canada; and died.
2. Maggie BRYDEN and died.
3. Emma BRYDEN and died.

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Settled in Napanee

Philip married Jane CASEY on 31 Dec 1818 in Ontario, Canada. Jane (daughter of William CASEY and Martha ROBINSON) was born on 9 Nov 1800 in Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada; died on 9 Feb 1860 in Shannonville, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Married:
Loyalist Lineages says April 3, 1818 Napanee

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• _UID: 55A1C3DA817E4039B1A776C9FDAA71EAA4FA
• Alt. Birth: 2 May 1769, Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA

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John Roblin, the eldest son of the Pioneer's family, was among the first converts under Darius Dunham's labours in the province, and became a zealous worker for the Methodist church and a popular local preacher, he could not sit in Parliament. His constituency re-electing him, his seat was again declared vacant by the same party and for the same reason. Returning home, he was elected for the third time; but he died before the next session commenced, and thus evaded that which threatened to become a serious cause of dissatisfaction, if not of disturbance.

Birth:
Some sources suggest 2 May 1774 however that puts him too close to his brother Owen's birth to be reasonable. Also only one son was over the age of 12 in 1783, that would have been John in this case/

John married Mary Elizabeth MOORE in 1789. Mary (daughter of William MOORE and Mary MCLEAN) was born in 1774; died in 1847 in Hay Bay, Adolphustown Twp., Lennox & Addington Co., Ontario, Canada; was buried in Hay Bay, Adolphustown Twp., Lennox & Addington Co., Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Died:
George Detlor Diary says she died 1832

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William married Martha ROBINSON. Martha was born on 12 Nov 1763 in Ulster County, New York, USA; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: John ROBLIN
• Name: Philip John ROBLIN
• Residence: Abt 1755, Troy, Rensselaer, New York, United States
• Residence: Bef 1769, Bergen County, New Jersey, USA
• Residence: 1769-1772, Monroe, Orange, New York, United States
• Church Attendance: 1774, Warwick, Orange, New York, USA; Members of the Old School Baptist Church
• Event: 1775, Monroe, Orange, New York, United States; Signd a Pledge of Assoication
• Event: 1776, Cornwall, Orange, New York, USA
• Church Attendance: 8 Mar 1777, Warwick, Orange, New York, USA; Warwick Baptist Church
• Inheritance: 1778, Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA
• Residence: 1771-1779, Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA
• Residence: 1772-1779, Monroe, Orange, New York, United States
• Convicted: Oct 1779, Monroe, Orange, New York, United States
• Event: 1782, Orange County, New York, USA
• Immigration: 1783, Qu
• Residence: 1779-1783, New York, New York, New York, USA
• Residence: 1783, Sorel, , Qu
• Emigration: Sep 1783, New York, New York, New York, USA
• Residence: 19 Nov 1783, Sorel, , Qu
• Muster Roll of Loyalists: 2 Feb 1784
• Residence: 16 Jun 1784, Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada
• Muster Roll of Loyalists: 5 Oct 1784, Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada
• Event: 4 Feb 1788
• Residence: 4 Feb 1788, Adolphustown Township, Lennox & Addington County, Ontario, Canada; Lot 24 Con 3

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b. say 1745, d. 1788. He was in Orange Co., New York, at the birth of his son Philip about 1771, and the name of Philip Roblin appears in a list somewhat vaguely described as comprising "the individuals who held a town office of some kind ... from 1765 to 1775 ... in Cornwall, Bloominggrove and Monroe," printed in Eager's Outline History of Orange County (1847). The three towns referred to lie in the south-east part of the county, and Cornwall was the home of his father-in-law. The names of Philip Roblin and his presumed brother Owen Roblin appear side-by-side in an undated but contemporary list of refugees "bound for Nova Scotia," his family consisting (besides himself) of one woman and four children. Next, the names of Philip and Owen Roblin appear close together in an undated list, presumed to be from 1784, of Loyalists in "Quebec" (which then included present-day Ontario), Philip being called a carpenter, and his family consisting of one man (himself), one woman, one male child over 12, 2 males 6-12, and 2 females under 6 years (another daughter having evidently been born since the family's arrival in Nova Scotia). His Loyalist petition, presented at Montr

(Research):Stephen Roblin says he was born in New Jersey. Philip Roblin says he is a "native" of America to me this says they were born in the US. We know that Philip came to Orange County from Bergen County. I do not believe that any of them were born in either England or Wales. I have seen nothing that supports that. Our earliest Roblin was in America by 1722 and owned land in PA. He lost his land due to unpaid taxes and disappears by 1727. I believe this Owen Roblin is either the father or grandfather of our Roblin group. There is a baptism in New Jersey of a Catherina Roblin Jun 5, 1741 by Owen and Rebecca Roblin.....this could be the same Owen that was in PA or it could be a son. In addition there is a Peter Roblin who family say came from PA to South Carolina and received a land grant there in 1741. DNA testing about 2 yrs ago indicate that this Peter Roblins is related to the families of both Philip Roblin and Owen Roblin.....though his name has changed over the years to Robling. The land he held in SC was named Roblyn's Neck. I believe that the Owen Roblin of PA and Peter Roblin are related and could be brothers.

Petition for land - Stephen Roblin June 16, 1797...wherein he said he was born in state of New Jersey. Granted 300 acres 24June 1797.

In his claim he says "he was at Sorell in the Fall of '83. Is a native of America Resided in Orange Co. .....

There is a family in Wales that interests me greatly as it has the names of our New Jersey/New York Roblins and the names of Peters family.....his son names his son Lewis, which is a unique name for the Roblin family.


Philip ROBLIN
" WILL: 1663, East walton, Pembroke, Wales
Family 1 : ELIZABETH
1. Alice ROBLIN
2. Lewis ROBLIN
3. Penelope ROBLIN
4. John ROBLIN
5. Henry ROBLIN
6. Peter ROBLIN
7. George ROBLIN
8. Owen ROBLIN
9. Elizabeth ROBLIN

Ann who is suppose to have married Nicholas Wessels was suppose to have been a sister to John and Stephen who came from New Jersey. We have never had any proof that she actually existed. We do know that Nicholas was married to Ann Smith, that we have proof of. So though I have kept Ann Roblin as Nicholas's first wife, there is no proof.

I believe there is another sister for Stephen, John and Ann. This is based on the treason charged against Stephen....he is identified in those charges as "Stephen of Harrington Twp, Bergen" May 1783 Maria Roblin of Harrington Twp married Cornelius J. Westervelt. Because they both lived in the same twp and the name Roblin is not common I believe they are siblings. There is also a Catherine Roblin who married Yellis/Giles Mandeville abt 1795 in Wantgo, Sussex Co but I have no idea of how she fits into this. And there is an Abraham Roblin b. 1764 who lived in New York and died Sept 29, 1820, who had a son Edward. Abraham died while in the military when a bridge collapsed in Westmoreland, NH.AS you probably know, Edward the brother of Owen and Philip seems to disappear, no one has traced him. I find it very interesting that Abraham names a son Edward. The story goes that Edward went to Nova Scotia, but I believe that is incorrect. Owen and Philip are on a list of settlers going to Nova Scotia but went to Ontario instead and I think that is where that story comes from. Edward is not on that list with them.

Re Edward, you ask where he is found there are several mentions of him in Orange County records, He was a known member of the Claudius Smith gang and there is an amusing story of him being jailed and talking the jailors daughter into helping him escape. If you simply google Edward Roblin of Orange County New York you will come up with a whole list of articles about him. He has been considered the "bandit" of the Roblin family but Philip too was arrested for his activities, people do not seem to know that.

Sept 1782 List of Refugess bound for Nova Scotia (Loyalists in the American Revolution, Loyalists in the Southern Campaign, Volume III, Refugees - pg 392)
Philip Roblin 1-1-4
Owin Roblin 1-1-4
Richard Smith 1-1-1 (son of Claudius Smith)
George Galloway 1-1-2 (witness for Philip Roblin's land petition)

I am a Wessels descendant, my grandmothers mother was a Wessels. Nicholas Wessels was suppose to have married Ann Roblin. Nicholas's sister, Sarah married John Roblin. Until recently we believed that Sarah died in 1817 or 1821 (can't remember) this is incorrect. It comes from the belief that Sarah left her property in PE Co to Stephen Wessels, this also is incorrect. In 1817 (I think it was registered 1821) she sold the property to Stephen. Sarah went on to remarry and had another child, she did not die until 1840. After her death her husband and her son John Roblin tried to reclaim the property she had sold, which by that time was in the hands of Owen Wessels who helped him develop the property and build a church on it. They were not successful and John Jr died before the case was finished.

It is also believed that Owen Roblin Jr and Elizabeth Roblin were the children of John Roblin and Sarah Wessels, This too is incorrect, I wrote a proof that Owen Roblin was the son of Owen Roblin Sr years ago and I think that is accepted at this point. The fact that Elizabeth is not a child of John and Sarah has not been as widely shared and I am not sure how many people know about this. I have a proof for that as well....the basic fact is that Sarah was not old enough to have been Elizabeth's mother.....there are other things as well that indicate that Elizabeth is the "missing" 4th child of Owen Roblin Sr who came to Ontario with 4 children, two over the age of 10 and 2 under the age of 10. If you have any interest in this I can share that with you.

Well, this has not proved to be such a "quick" response but that is it in a nutshell. I do not support the birth of any of our Roblin's as being from England or Wales. I do believe that they came from Wales but that the parents of our Roblin were here before the birth of our oldest known Ontario settlers.

Will take a look at your poster later, I am presently working on the Stickle family and am in the process of selling my house and arranging to move out of the US.

You say...Based on British records that have recently come online, it does seem more and more like Owen, Ann, Philip, John & Stephen were all siblings and that their father was Philip (bef.1725-aft.1769) with Owen's mother being Grace Meredith, possibly dying in childbirth and the other four's mother Anne Meredith (probably Grace's sister, maybe a twin). Have you info that would put this interpretation into question?

I would be VERY interested in what records you refer to,....I know another Roblin researcher has put together a theory that our Roblins were born in England but I think it is wrong and that he is manipulating what information he has to make it fit his theory and have told him as much and have not heard back from him again.

I have about ten online trees on Ancestry....and do have some of my Roblin information there: 1) Owen Roblin Tree..http://person.ancestry.com/tree/63886267/person/44111206480/facts and 2) John Roblin and Sarah Wessels Tree http://person.ancestry.com/tree/71033516/person/42227975890/facts


Regards,
Linda Herman:

Christened:
There is a disputed christening for Philip of:
25 Mar 1753, Bristol, , Gloucestershire, England
Christ Church
However as per the email from Linda Herman that does not seem to match with the facts at hand.

Residence:
From a 1889 biographical note about Sir Rodmond Roblin: "Family of Welsh Extraction; came to America in 1755 and settled in York State near the now city of Troy"

In 1755 the Manor of Rensellaerswyck covered most of the land around what is now Troy. Perhaps the two young Roblin boys spent a period as indentured servants at the Manor or the newby Livingston Manor.

Residence:
"Philip Roblon" from "Bargain" [Bergen] County, in the province of East N.J. Paid John Belcher 170 pounds in the form of a mortgage on 75 acres. One half portion of Cheesecock Patent Lot 53.

Event:
"To adopt and endeavor to carry into execution whatever measures may be recommended by the Continental Congress and resolved by our Provincial Convention for purpose and preserving our Constitution and opposing the execution of the several Arbitrary Acts of British Parliament, until a reconciliation between Great Britain and America on Constitutional principals (which we most ardently desire) can be obtained and that we will in all things follow the advice of our General Committee respecting the purposes aforesaid, the preservation of peace and good order and the safety of individuals and property."

Event:


Church Attendance:
March 8 1777 listed as church members in a vote to move church to Westmoreland PA. The move was cancelled due to the war and an Indian attack upon the church members who went to view the new location

* Records of Pastor James Benedict


Inheritance:


Residence:
They farmed 150 acres of leased land near what is now the city of Monroe, Orange County, New York. At the time of the Revolutionary War, the area was called Smith's Clove, a clove being a cleft between two mountain ranges.

Residence:
Sold his purchased 75 acres of Lot 53 back to John Belcher for 85 pounds. Leased 150 acres of lot 51 from 1772-1779

Convicted:
Act of Attainder was passed by the New York legislature which provided a legal basis for the seizure of the property of thow who opposed the American Revolution. The Orange County lands of both Philip and his brother Owen were seized and both brothers were impreisoned for months.

Event:
In the "History of Orange County" by E.M.Ruttenber , there is not so flattering account of

Immigration:
He and his brother Owen are listed as being on board the "HOPE" out of New York to Quebec July 4- Aug 18. The "Hope" was a brig of 40 guns accompanying 7 ships of Van Alstine's party


Residence:
Both

Residence:
Over the winter, Philip, Elizabeth, 3 sons and 2 daughters.

Emigration:
To Canada

Residence:
Philip Roblin's name first appears in Canada on an nominal roll of refugee Loyalists who drew clothing at Sorel Quebec on 19 Nov 1783, Philip signing a receipt for the same. At this time his family consisted of a wife, one son over ten years of age, two children under six and two over six.

Muster Roll of Loyalists:
Philip Roblin with a wife, three sons over ten and two daughters under ten.

Residence:
6 000 of the 10 000 disbanded troops and Loyalists who had gathered at Sorel were settled in the western townships along the Saint Lawrence river and in the Bay of Quinte area.

In addition some 900 "Associated" Loyalists who were taken from New York to Quebec were settled at Adolphustown and Kingston. Philip Roblin was an "Associated" Loyalist with Peter Ruttan's company.

Later that summer, the Loyalists drew lots to determine where their new farms were to be found.



Event:
In his statement of claim to the Loyalist Commissioners in Montreal,

Residence:
South Shore of Hay Bay

Buried:
He is likely buried in the "Old Adolphustown Burying Ground" on the 4th concession along the north shore of Hay Bay or in the UEL cemetery at Adolphustown.

Philip married Elizabeth Esther MILLER about 1769 in Orange County, New York, USA. Elizabeth (daughter of Garret MILLER and Patience) was born on 10 Aug 1754 in Smiths Clove, Orange, New York, USA; died on 6 Jun 1815 in Cannifton, Hastings, ON, Canada; was buried in Belleville Cemetery, Belleville, , Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 2FE43F28B619441DBA48C76FD3C0640DE60C
• Alt. Birth: 2 Apr 1754

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Elizabeth Miller, b. say 1750, d. 18- , and buried in the old Canniff family burying ground, at Cannifton, Ontario, having married secondly, John Canniff (d. 1843), the founder of Cannifton, who was a great-uncle of William Canniff, the well-known historian. A Methodist missionary, visiting the widowed Elizabeth's household in 1791, noted that "the house was larger than ordinary, having two log houses joined together." Some have claimed this woman as a sister of the Garret Miller who came to Sorel, Quebec, in 1783 and made a Loyalist petition that year. However, there is evidence that this man was son of an Adam (not Garret) Miller, which would necessarily preclude his being her brother. While Elizabeth and this Garret may well have been kindred of some sort, the closeness of any relationship which existed between them appears to have become exaggerated in family legend due to Garret's connection with the prestigious Embury family.

Her name appears on joseph canniff's stone in belleville cem. along with age data Elizabeth is said to be buried on hill across from church in canniffton but it is very rundown (1997)

She contributed 12 pounds Halifax towards construction of Hay Bay church in 1792. Apparently the largest sum and a big deal to the methodist church which now is part of the united church
source- history of methodism in Canada and it is referred to in the pamphlet "the hay bay church"

Elizabeth appears to have remained loyal to the crown and finally left for Canada with her husband and five children in 1783. After the death of Philip in 1788, she married a widower John Canniff in about 1793 and had three more children (Daniel, 1795; Phoebe, 1797; Joseph, 1799). Several accounts of her life are appended.

Some reports suggest that she was buried in the Canniffton Cemetery but others suggest that she was buried in Belleville. My visit to the Canniffton cemetery in 2002 found an abandoned, overgrown and vandalized site from which any conclusion as to her presence is not possible. Stones noted suggest interments between 1850 and 1910. However Wannamaker visited in the 1960's and, while finding no stone, failed to mention the extensive vandalization. As Elizabeth was very well to do at her death, a large stone was likely. The particulars of her life are noted on the memorial in the Belleville cemetery (Section H; Row 3), from which the exact death date is noted and the birth date computed. There is little evidence that the stone in Belleville is other than a memorial by a loving son.

The Canniffton cemetery is 'on the hill' and overlooks the river (consistent with early reports of Elizabeth's interment). It can be found by taking exit 543A on the 401 highway, going north about 100 m and turning left onto Highway 37. At Maitland Road (about 1 km) the cemetery is on the hill (east) directly across from St. Mark's United Church. It measures about 100 m north to south and has two sections (N and S)

Birth:
26 Aug 1753 from Jerry Turner

Buried:
Section H Row 3 Number 9

Notes:

Married:
1774 in some sources
Aug 10 1754 in others

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William married Mary MCLEAN. Mary and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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