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• _UID: 0BD22AAA4A9245E5BA5BBDE96805B72BC1F9

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• _UID: AFB5B9CA89DA40EEA04BB6786B506D1AD3CC
• Alt. Death: Age 78 years

John married Rebecca COATES on 13 Dec 1707 in Canterbury, , Kent, England. Rebecca was born in 1684 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 17D5D7D52F5B4858B146E3FA7E101A15539A

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• _UID: 2BDCC8640CDD49DD950D7A6F849B27E7FA66

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There is a problem here. The John Chapman married to Sussanah Mullett is listed as a son of these parents. Indeed, they have four known John Chapman sons. The issue involves which John. Normally, a parent reused the name because a previous child with that same name died in childhood. So the last named John Chapman should be the surviving child and hense the spouse. The problem is that John Chapman #4 was born in 1660, making him only about l2 years old at the time our John and Sussanah married in 1672--not the likely candidate. It is possible there was a different middle name given and not all the previous John sons died, but we do not know which is our John for purpose of his marriage. So I have compromised, left his last name in CAPITAL letters and put his birth date as Abt. 1650. We need to do more research to determine the correct fit and then perform a data merge.

----------------- Richard W. Reeks believes that one of the John Chapman sons married Joanna Sumner on 28 Nov. 1672. This John Chapman in turn had a son also named John Chapman, born circa 1685 in England, who married Sarah Brown on 16 Feb 1710 in Stonington, Connecticut. "Tradition has it that he was forced into the British Navy, by a press-gang, and when the ship visited Boston, MA, he availed himself of the opportunity to assume the liberty of which he had been deprived. He fled and found succor in the abode of Samuel Allen, in what is now called Wakefield, Rhode Island. He was a weaver, having become proficient therein by several years service. He came to Stonington, now North Stonington, where he worked at his trade the remainder of his life. (History of Stonington, Wheeler)"

I have been constructing my family tree and like you am descended from the Chapman family of Folkestone. I note that you have highlighted a problem at the bottom of the page for John Chapman, son of Stephen Chapman and Margaret Elgar. The following information may help to throw light on this problem.

1 In the Monumental Inscription booklet for St Mary and St Eanswythe published by the Folkestone and District Family History Society it is listed that Stephen Chapman, Jurate and 3 times mayor died on March 1st 1676 aged 82 years. This would have been 1676/7.

2 In the Folkestone Parish Register now available on findmypast.co.uk Mr Stephen Chapman was buried on 12th March 1676/7

3 Will of Stephen Chapman of Folkestone dated 11th November 1676 and proved April 1677 by his son. In it he names his two sons, Stephen and John and John's daughter, Margaret. I think these are the baptisms in 1642 and 1645 which name Stephen and Margaret as the parents.

4 Will of Stephen Chapman of Cheriton dated 23rd April 1679 (therefore after the mayor had died) and proved May 1679. He names his children, Mary wife of Robert Baker, Stephen and his sons Richard and Stephen, Alice, Margery, Henry, William and John who was under 21 years of age. Some of these children were baptised in Cheriton, children of Stephen and Alice, ie Alice, Ann and Henry and John maybe the Folkestone baptism in 1660.

These Wills are held at wills.canterbury-cathedral.org

Chapman
Stephen
Folkestone
1676
1677
PRC/17/74/90a
PRC/16/297 C/3

Chapman
Stephen
Cheriton
1679
1679
PRC/17/74/309
PRC/16/301 C/3

Therefore there were two Stephen Chapmans having children baptised in Folkestone and Cheriton.

I hope this information will be of use to you.

Yours

Shirley Watts

John married Sussanah MULLETT on 28 Nov 1672 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. Sussanah was born about 1650 in Kent, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 7AB47D312AE446D3B1040AC28A26D67C86D6
• Name: Susan MULLETT
• Name: Susannah MULLETT

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Married:
Source: IGI Batch number: M020721 Dates: 1635-1840 Source Call No.: 0908172 IT 2 Type: Film Printout Call No.: 6906424

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• _UID: BA4E3A8A934C4B0E805086B4568052B1E7F9
• Name: Steven CHAPMAN
• Occupation: Mayor of Folkestone (three times); businessman
• Reference Number: HO12-6W

Notes:

According to notes by Vern Hall: "Stephen was successful in business and was Mayor of Folkestone three times, but best of all he closed the generation gap by naming in his 1679 will, 'My daughter Mary and my son-in-law Robert Baker.'"

From Shirley Watts: "I have never been happy with the reference to a Will in 1679 for the following reason.

In the booklet " Monumental Inscriptions" of St Mary and St Eanswythe published by the Folkestone and District Family History Soc there is an entry - Here lieth the body of Stephen CHAPMAN, Jvrate, 3 tms Maior of this Towne. He died March 1, 1676 Aged 82 yeares. In the Parish Register images which can now be seen on Findmypast.co.uk. Mr Stephen Chapman was buried on 15th March 1676. The later date is the end of their year ie 1676/7. There is a Will for Stephen Chapman of Folkestone dated 11th November 1676 and proved April 1677. Ref PRC17/74/90. He just describes himself as the elder. In it he names his sons Stephen and John and his granddaughter, Margaret daughter of John.

The 1679 Will is that of Stephen Chapman of Cheriton. He does name all the children listed. If he does give an occupation I can't read it. Ref PRC16/301 C3."

(Research):Name: Stephen CHAPMAN -964 Birth:



-------- From: "Annie and Bill (plus Liam ) Stuart" Subject: CHAPMAN etc Folkestone and Hythe Kent Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:52:26 +1000 X-Mailing-List: kentgene@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/kentgene/

Hello everyone, This is my first posting to the list. My Chapman ancestors mainly from the areas in the subject line are set out below. The numbers refer to the generations.

1 Thomas CHAPMAN

2 George CHAPMAN m Elizabeth ROFFE 14 2 1594 d: 20 7 1635

3 Steven CHAPMAN m Margaret ELGAR 02 8 1641

4 John CHAPMAN b: 02 2 1646 m Sussanah MULLETT 26 11 1672

5 Jn CHAPMAN b: 30 6 1682 m Rebecca OATES (b: 1684) m: 18 12 1707 d: 01 12 1760

6 John CHAPMAN b: 31 10 1708 m Elizabeth MUNDEN 16 8 1735 in Folkestone,Kent,UK

7 John CHAPMAN b: 06 11 1736 m Ann ?

8 William CHAPMAN b: 08 1 1766 d: 28 2 1826 m Elizabeth FULLER 23 4 1788

9 Fuller CHAPMAN b: 12 6 1811 in Folkestone,Kent,UK m Frances Ann TAMS (b: 1815 in Dover,Kent,UK )

10 William Fuller CHAPMAN b: 1843 in Folkestone,Kent,UK m Sarah ANSELL( b: 1854 in Cheltenham,Gloucestershire,UK) 01 10 1882 in Clerkenwell,Middlesex,UK. Children of William and Sarah CHAPMAN;- 1.Richard Fuller CHAPMAN b: 27 10 1883 in St.Giles,Reading,UK d: 1972 in Sydney,Australia m Anna Dorothy BEK 1921 Sydney, Australia.(my grandparents). 2 Laura Katharina CHAPMAN m Ivor AMBROSE. 3. Blanche Winifred CHAPMANb: 25 2 1885 in 38 North Street,Folkestone,Kent,UK d: 04 6 1954 in Greenlane Public Hospital,Epsom,Auckland,NZ. Never married. 4. Harriett Mansell CHAPMAN b: 1887 in Folkestone,Kent,UK m Roger GILES. If anyone connects with these people, I would love to hear from you. Annie Stuart. Sydney, Australia. billannieliam@bigpond.com.

My Elgar information is pretty limited as I have been concentrating more on the male lines, so all I know about Margaret Elgar is what is shown below.

Steven Chapman m: 02 8 1641 Margaret Elgar.Their children were:- 1. John Chapman b: 02 2 1646 m: 26 11 1672 Sussanah Mullett 2 Stephen Chapman b: 16 12 1642 m (1)Jane ? d: 19 8 1676 m(2)Cath Shotwater

Fuller Chapman b: 12 6 1811 in Folkestone,Kent,UK m Frances Ann Tams (b: 1815 in Dover,Kent,UK) . Their children were:- 1. Elizabeth Chapman m.James Waters 2 Frances Chapman m.Frank Simpson 3. William Fuller Chapman b: 1843 in Folkestone,Kent,UK m: 01 10 1882 in Clerkenwell,Middlesex,UK Sarah Mansell (b: 1854 in Cheltenham,Gloucestershire,UK Father: Richard Mansell)(my 2x greats) 3. Suzanna(or Susan) Tams Chapman b: 1851 4. Harriet Chapman b: 1856

If anyone connects with these people, I would love to hear from you. Annie Stuart. Sydney, Australia. billannieliam@bigpond.com

------ From: GorAdams@aol.com Subject: Re: CHAPMAN etc Folkestone and Hythe Kent Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:15:18 EDT X-Mailing-List: kentgene@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/kentgene/

Annie Stuart, I have ELGAR ancestors in Isle of Thanet, Kent, England, beginning with:

MY ELGAR LINE

Thomas ELGAR, Sr., b. ca 1783, Kent, England, d. Kent, married ca 1810, Kent
+ Mary BIRD, b. ca 1792, Kent, d. 14 Aug 1868, Kent. Children:
1. Elizabeth Mary ELGAR, b. ca 1811, Kent, d. 11 May 1876, New York City, USA,
married 26 Dec 1826, Thianet, Ramsgate, Kent,
+ Henry SACKETT, b. 16 Sept 1806, St. Lawrence, Ramsgate, Kent
d. 19 May 1851, New York City, USA. (My ancestor)
2. Margaret ELGAR.

(All the following children and their spouses d. after May 1881, and probably in England.)
3. Eliza Ann ELGAR, b. ca 1819, Kent, married
+ 12 Jan 1849, Ramsgate (?), Kent, James POWELL.
4. Thomas ELGAR, Jr., b. ca 1824, Kent, d. 30 Aug 1899, England, married,
+ 7 July 1845, Ramsgate (?), Kent, Elizabeth AYLESBURY, d. 24 Aug 1902, En
5. Sarah Ann ELGAR, b. ca 1826, Kent, married,
+ 13 Sept 1840, Ramsgate (?), John Christian JONES.
6. Caroline Elizabeth ELGAR, d. 11 Mar 1855, England, married,
+ 7 Sept 1846, Ramsgate (?), Thomas Bell JONES

I am researching the ancestry of this ELGAR line, and would gratefully appreciate any additions, corrections, etc. to the details shown above.

Gordon Adams in the Heart of Silicon Valley, California, USA GorAdams@aol.com ----- From: "Donna McQuade" Subject: Re: CHAPMAN etc Folkestone and Hythe Kent Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:03:43 -0400 X-Mailing-List: kentgene@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/kentgene/ Gordon Adams, Annie Stuart, and all,

I have several ELGARS in my file, from Kent and Surrey, who have married into my HARNETT family. I'm interested in sharing information.

My Elgar information is contained in the following outline report -- the spouses and children of Frances Harnett and Rosa Mary Harnett. We don't seem to have a connection, but maybe someone else on the list will have some Elgar information:

Descendants of Frank Harnett

1 Frank Harnett Born: August 1835 in Newington, Kent, England Died: Abt. 1891 in Bredley Manor, Woking, Surrey, England . +Catherine Sarah Wakeley Born: Abt. 1839 in Rainham, Kent, England Married: 1862 in Milton District Died: Unknown ... 2 Catherine Mary Harnett Born: Abt. 1864 in Newington, Kent, England Died: Unknown ....... +Arthur Harnett Born: Abt. 1865 in Newington, Kent, England Married: 1911 in Milton Reg. District Died: 1927 in Bromely, Kent, England ... 2 Grace Emily Harnett Born: Abt. 1865 in Newington, Kent, England Died: January 26, 1894 ... 2 Frank Edward Davies Harnett Born: Abt. 1866 in Newington, Kent, England Died: Abt. 1952 in Maidstone, Kent, England ....... +Kate Furber Born: 1869 Married: April 17, 1895 in Maidstone, Kent, England Died: Unknown ........ 3 Frank Furber Erskine Harnett Born: October 30, 1896 in Bearsted, Kent, England Died: April 05, 1956 in Charing, Kent, England ............ +Mabel Butcher Born: 1894 Married: February 12, 1923 in St. Nicolas Church, Linton, England Died: February 22, 1999 ........ 3 Dorothea Kate Harnett Born: February 21, 1898 in Bearsted, Kent, England Died: May 1984 ............ +John Barker Married: January 16, 1924 in Bearsted, Kent, England ........ 3 Arthur Norman Harnett Born: May 17, 1899 in Bearsted, Kent, England Died: 1985 ............ +Hilda Gladys Duke Married: April 22, 1930 in Bearsted, Kent, England ........ 3 Frances Stella Harnett Born: January 06, 1902 in Bearsted, Kent, England Died: 1964 ............ +Lawrence Betts Married: December 18, 1924 ........ 3 Charles Harnett Born: August 15, 1908 in Ott, Bearsted, Kent, England Died: January 1986 ............ +Celia Ellis Married: August 16, 1932 in Hollingburne, Kent, England ... 2 Frances Harnett Born: Abt. 1868 in Newington, Kent, England Died: December 23, 1950 ....... +Frederick Maylam Elgar Born: 1872 Died: 1947 ........ 3 G. Marjorie Elgar Born: Abt. 1900 Died: October 13, 1996 ........ 3 Joan Elgar Born: Unknown Died: Abt. 1992 ........ 3 Molly Elgar Born: Unknown Died: 1961 ... 2 Clifford Harnett Born: Abt. 1870 in Newington, Kent, England Died: Bef. 1881 ... 2 Alice Marion Harnett Born: 1871 in Newington, Kent, England Died: May 31, 1943 ... 2 Charles J. Harnett Born: Abt. 1873 in Newington, Kent, England Died: Unknown ... 2 Richard Howe Harnett Born: Abt. 1874 in Newington, Kent, England Died: January 27, 1938 ....... +Ida Geraldine Troughton Born: 1877 Married: July 26, 1913 in Woodside, Surrey, England Died: Unknown ........ 3 John Harnett Born: April 28, 1916 in Oscar House, Pelham Road, Gravesend, Kent, England ... 2 Mabel E. Harnett Born: Abt. 1876 in Newington, Kent, England Died: Unknown ... 2 Rosa Mary Harnett Born: Abt. 1877 in Woking, Surrey, England Died: June 12, 1958 ....... +Charles John Elgar Born: 1880 Died: 1946 ........ 3 Frank Edward Elgar Born: February 16, 1917 in Wingham, Kent, England Died: February 25, 1996 in Perry Orchard, Perry Road, Wingham, Kent, England ........ 3 Barbara Mary Elgar Born: Unknown Died: January 03, 1990 ... 2 Eleanor R. Harnett Born: Abt. 1880 in Woking, Surrey, England Died: Unknown

Donna McQuade Avon, CT, USA Researching HARNETT in Kent

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From: "Kevan M. Light" Subject: Folkestone Families Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:00:16 -0400 X-Mailing-List: kentgene@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/kentgene/

Hello Annie and Bill, since I saw your questions regarding your ancestors of Folkestone, I thought I'd send you my interests for Folkestone. Unfortunately I don't have any Chapman's from Folkestone, however I did find one in my family tree coming from Surrey. A Margaret Chapman who married Roger Cobbett probably in the 1940's.

My Folkestone families; BRICE Spicer FAGG Harris PUNNETT REED HOPKINS NUTLEY GOODMAN DELANOY EASTWICK MAY RYE HAWKIN SIMPSON BURNES EWART BOWBRICK

Do any names sound familiar to you ?? Thanks Kevan M. Light -----

Stephen married Margaret ELGAR on 2 Aug 1641 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. Margaret was born in 1620 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died before 23 Apr 1679. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 194F3FDABC75480D898B7963AD4E9BD56254
• Reference Number: HO16-SK

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(Research):From: "John Lilley" Subject: Re: CHAPMAN etc Folkestone and Hythe Kent Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:17:40 +0100 X-Mailing-List: kentgene@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/kentgene/

Steven CHAPMAN who married Margaret ELGAR is my 8xGreat Grandfather on my mothers side of the family. I am in the process of researching that side of the family at the moment and have only just come across the CHAPMAN's the other day, as I said, what a small world.

Steven and Margaret had 10 children in total, my line starts with their daughter Mary (b1644) who married Robert BAKER (b Abt 1642), they married in Folkestone Kent on the 11 June 1667. They had 13 children and the list goes on and on. If you are interested, once I have compiled my findings, I will send you a copy. Ok. Regards, John Lilley

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From: John Streeter Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:34:28 +0100 X-Mailing-List: kentgene@egroups.com

Re ELGAR, - my maternal great-grandmother was Sarah ELGAR, born abt 1851, possibly at Tilmanstone, Kent? and died abt 1930. Sarah married Stephen FOAD, 23 December 1876 and they had 7 children one of whom Stephen Herbert FOAD was my maternal grandfather. Unfortunately I very little about Sarah's parents, not even their names, except that her father was supposed to have died when she was a child. Sarah's mother was b. circa 1809-10 at Tilmanstone Kent, d. 1914, 4 days after Stephen FOAD, Sarahs spouse, when she was 104! I know of no bro's or sis's. Does this tie up with any other data? Regards John Streeter, also researching FOAD and DEVESON.

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GorAdams@aol.com wrote:

I have ELGAR ancestors in Isle of Thanet, Kent, England, beginning with:

Thomas ELGAR, Sr., b. ca 1783, Kent, England, d. Kent, married ca 1810, Kent
+ Mary BIRD, b. ca 1792, Kent, d. 14 Aug 1868, Kent.

Do you or anyone else on this list wish to exchange ELGAR info? Thanks. Gordon Adams: GorAdams@aol.com

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