Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 1A4E34D85C4F4F5EBA1870F95D7391B31BB2

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 9AA7261839F14DE7BCB2CADF1D68B9B2E482

Frederick married Edith EDMONDS. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: 81F05E8685764D43B6C859BBF520AD6CA09C

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: D8C9202F9A614F1AA84B7D71278637CAE3A3
• Occupation: 1901, Traveller'sBoy
• Residence: 1891; With Widowed Mother
• Residence: 1901; Quite Likely In Children's Home 81 Blackfriars Rd Was This The Christchurch Workhouse? As Henry Edmonds- Also Known As British School

Notes:

PRO Reference Schedule Number RG Number, Series Piece Folio Page RG13 359 85 32 199


Address 81 Blackfriars Rd Civil Parish Rural District Christ Church Town or Village or Hamlet Parliamentary Borough or Division West Southwark Ecclesiastical Parish Administrative County Christ Church London County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Ward of Municipal Borough or Urban District




Alfred H Durnford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Head M 42 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Superintendent Of Boys Home Worker Dorset Catestock Language Infirmity




Sarah J Durnford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Wife M 42 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Matron Of Boys Home Worker London Southwark Language Infirmity




Alfred H Durnford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Son S 19 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Architects Clerk Worker Bournemouth Language Infirmity




Alice P Durnford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Daughter S 17 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Stationers Assistant Worker London Shepherd Bush Language Infirmity




Hilier De C Smith Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 19 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Electrical Assistant Worker Winchester St Cross ... Language Infirmity




William Alice Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Freed Lact Finisher Worker London Camden Town Language Infirmity




John Ayers Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Book Binders Assistant Worker London Hackney Language Infirmity




John Bowling Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Tailors Presser Worker London Marylebone Language Infirmity




Maurice Bradshaw Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 18 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Boot Laster Worker Birmingham Language Infirmity




Walter Brooks Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Book Binder Messenger Worker Leicester Language Infirmity




William Bull Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Stone Boy To Distiller Worker London Shoreditch Language Infirmity




Frank Braddy Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printer Boy Worker London Lewicham Language Infirmity




Albert E Bayford Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Brushmaker Pan Hard Worker Tottenham Middx Language Infirmity




Alfred Cooper Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Last Makers Messenger Worker Berkshire Language Infirmity




William Cuttle Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Book Binders Messenger Worker London S Kensington Language Infirmity




Henry Clarke Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born House Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




Ernest Chapman Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 19 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Van Guard Worker Wiltshire Language Infirmity




Arthur Dennis Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 18 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker London Islington Language Infirmity




Henry Edmonds Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Travellers Boy Worker London Camberwell Language Infirmity




Charles Fenwick Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 14 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printers Boy Worker London Bow Language Infirmity




Albert Turner Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Errand Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




William C Griffin Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 18 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker London Southwark Language Infirmity




Arthur Holland Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Warehouse Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




Fredk Hoggarty Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Boot Maker Worker London Holloway Language Infirmity




Thomas Haylen Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 14 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Messenger Worker London Greenwich Language Infirmity




Ashley Jermyn Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printers Boy Worker London Vauxhall Language Infirmity




William Ludlow Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker London Hackney Language Infirmity




Alfred Langdon Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker London Kensington Language Infirmity




William Luck Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Dresser Worker London City Language Infirmity




Thomas Little Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Boots Maker Worker London City Clerkenwell Language Infirmity




William J Marsh Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Kitchen Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




Alfred Mitchell Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Boot Maker Worker London Kentish Town Language Infirmity




William North Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printers Assistant Worker London Islington Language Infirmity




Ernest Alice Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Warehouse Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




John Parker Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Potters Assistant Worker London Shoreditch Language Infirmity




William Rouce Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Paper Sorter Worker London Notting Hill Language Infirmity




Henry Stevens Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Tailors Porter Worker London Marylebone Language Infirmity




William Sennock Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Blind Mans Guide Worker Bristol Glos Language Infirmity




Daniel Hynes Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printer Worker London Islington Language Infirmity




William Scot Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 14 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Clerk To Barrister Worker London Bloomsbury Language Infirmity




Henry Swift Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Printers Boy Worker Nottingham Language Infirmity




George Shand Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Messenger Worker London Shoreditch Language Infirmity




Thomas Smith Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Warehouse Boy Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




William P Vasper Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Porter Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity




Edward Ward Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Kitchen Boy Worker London Chelsea Language Infirmity




Jonothan Pitman Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 16 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Warehouse Boy Worker London Kentish Town Language Infirmity




Frederick Thomas Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Messenger Worker N K Eng Language Infirmity





Birth:
81 Edmund St

Edgar married Alice Elizabeth VINES on 26 Sep 1915 in Camberwell, London, Middlesex, England. Alice was born on 20 May 1889 in Camberwell, Surrey, England; died on 8 Dec 1940 in Camberwell, Surrey, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: CBE18ABB836345479CA306FD9B5811DB845B
• Alt. Death: 8 Dec 1940; Killed By Bomb In "Blitz"

Notes:

Debt of Honour Register In Memory of

ALICE ELIZABETH EDMONDS


who died on Monday 9 December 1940 . Age 52 .


Additional Information: of 131 Elmington Road. Wife of Edward Henry Edmonds. at 131 Elmington Road. Cemetery: METROPOLITAN BOROUGH OF CAMBERWELLCivilian War Dead Display Record of Commemoration


In Memory of

ALICE ELIZABETH EDMONDS


of 131 Elmington Road. Wife of Edward Henry Edmonds. at 131 Elmington Road. who died as a result of enemy action on Monday 9 December 1940. Age 52

Commemorated in the METROPOLITAN BOROUGH OF CAMBERWELL Section of the Civilian War Dead Register

Died:
Elmington Street

Notes:

Married:
The Parish Church Of St George

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: B0620A6D03054AB7B33FE44A260DB1C2587F
• Occupation: Between 29 Dec 1865 and 5 Jun 1871; Scots Fusilier Guards
• Occupation: 18 Nov 1869; Corporal Scots Fusilier Guards
• Residence: 18 Nov 1869; Wellington Barracks
• Census: 1871; Stated As Born In Worcester Ombersley Aged 24 And Unmarried!!!
• Occupation: 1871; Corporal, 2nd Battalion Scots Fusilier Guards
• Residence: 1871; Wellington Barracks
• Occupation: Between 18 Nov 1872 and 20 Apr 1874; Police Constable
• Residence: 31 Mar 1873, Knole Hill, Wilmington, Dartford, , Kent, England
• Census: 1881, Camberwell, Surrey, England; 81 Edmund St
• Occupation: 1881; Railway Porter
• Occupation: 11 Jul 1884; Railway Porter
• Residence: 11 Jul 1884, Camberwell, Surrey, England; 81 Edmund St

Notes:

Stated ages: November 1869 - 25 (Nov 1843-Nov 1844) April 1871 - 24 (April 1846-April 1847) April 1881 - 37 (Apr 1843-Apr 1844) Death May 1886 - 40 (May 1845-May 1846)



Possible deaths


-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Fredk. EDMUNDS Head M Male 37 Amberley, Worcester, England Raily Porter Maria EDMUNDS Wife M Female 31 Hadleigh, Essex, England Jonathon EDMUNDS Son Male 4 Camberwell, Surrey, England Walter Phil. EDMUNDS Son Male 2 Camberwell, Surrey, England Ernest R. EDMUNDS Son Male 1 m Camberwell, Surrey, England


-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Source Information: Dwelling 81 Edmund St Census Place Camberwell, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341161 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0695 / 75 Page Number 44

Searched for Crompton

Oct-Nov-Dec 1845 CAA-CZZ 258 View Jan-Feb-Mar 1846 CAA-CZZ 286 View Apr-May-Jun 1846 CAA-CZZ 292 View Jul-Aug-Sep 1846 CAA-CZZ 268 View Oct-Nov-Dec 1846 CAA-CZZ 275 View Jan-Feb-Mar 1847 CAA-CZZ 285 View Apr-May-Jun 1847 CAA-CZZ 270 View Jul-Aug-Sep 1847 CAA-CZZ 250 View Oct-Nov-Dec 1847 CAA-CZZ 250 View


Dear Laurence,



I have completed my search for the records of your ancestor, Frederick Edmonds, whom you believed to be a Corporal with the Scots Fusilier Guards at the time of his marriage in 1869. There is not actually a regiment known as the Scots Fusilier Guards, but there are the Scots Guards and the Royal Scottish Fusiliers, so I commenced my search by checking the discharge papers for both of these regiments as follows:



WO 97/1378, Scots Guards, 1855-1872

WO 97/1861, Foot Guards, 1873-1882



WO 97/1461, Royal Scots Fusiliers, 1855-1872

WO 97/1948, Infantry, 1873-1882



The records for the period 1873-1882 are divided into Foot Guards and Infantry as opposed to specific regiments. There were no papers for Frederick in any of these sets of documents.



I then searched the muster rolls of the Royal Scots Fusiliers (also known as the 21st of Foot) for the period 1869-1870. The musters of the 1st battalion were held in WO 12/3838, and those of the 2nd battalion were in WO 12/3863. Frederick did not appear in any of these musters.


I then searched the musters of the Scots Guards for the same period, held in WO 12/1872, and Frederick was present throughout the set of musters, which covered April 1869 to March 1870. The battalion was based At Home. Frederick was Private No 1683 until 21st October 1869, when he was promoted to Corporal vice (in place of) Trump. Frederick did not appear on the Married Roll of the musters. This does not mean that he was not married, but it means that his wife was not accompanying him in the barracks.


I then traced the musters backwards and found that Frederick enlisted on 29th December 1865. The voucher number next to his name was 7, which denotes that he was recruited in the Gloucester area. This information was held in WO 12/1868.


I then jumped forwards to find when Frederick discharged. I searched the musters of 1875-1876, held in WO 12/1878, but Frederick was no longer listed at this time. I then searched backwards and found that he discharged by purchase, whilst still a Corporal, on 5th June 1871. He was stationed in London at the time and paid

Birth:
Ombersley Amberley Or Abberley

Died:
Brookwood Asylum,

Frederick married Maria WOOD on 18 Nov 1869 in Westminster, , , England. Maria (daughter of Jonathan WOOD and Maria LOCKWOOD) was born on 7 Jun 1849 in Hadleigh, , Essex, England; died after 1901 in Camberwell, Surrey, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• _UID: CFA2B6FB9A2E4A6281C9F9AB7C498024ED4C
• Occupation: 1871, Soldier's wife
• Residence: 1861, South Benfleet, , Essex, England; Sweet Briar Farm
• Residence: 18 Nov 1869
• Census: 1871; Indexed By Ancestry Under "Edwards"
• Census: 1871; Stated As A Lodger, Aged 22, From Hadleigh
• Residence: 1871, St John, Westminster, , , England; 12 Alfred Street
• Residence: 31 Mar 1873, Knole Hill, Wilmington, Dartford, , Kent, England

Notes:

Remarriage

Marriages Sep 1898 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------

Edmonds Maria Camberwell 1d 1733 Matthews John Camberwell 1d 1733


In 1901 census as Marie Matthews

In 1891

Edmonds, Maria View Image Online Relationship: Head County: London Age: 40 Civil Parish: Camberwell Gender: Female ED: 9

Where Born: Essex, Hasley Eccl. Parish: Emmanuel

Piece: RG12/464 Town:

Folio: 19

Page: 31

Edmonds, Edgar H View Image Online Relationship: Son County: London Age: 6 Civil Parish: Camberwell Gender: Male ED: 9

Where Born: , Camberwell Eccl. Parish: Emmanuel

Piece: RG12/464 Town:

Folio: 19

Page: 31

Edmonds, Walter D View Image Online Relationship: Son County: London Age: 12 Civil Parish: Camberwell Gender: Male ED: 9

Where Born: , Camberwell Eccl. Parish: Emmanuel

Piece: RG12/464 Town:

Folio: 19

Page: 31


Deaths Jun 1904 Maria 57 Islington 1b 141 Too old Mar 1905 Maria 53 Croydon 2a 240 ? Searched MarPRO Reference Schedule Number RG Number, Series P

Residence:
6 Fyne Street

Residence:
(A Lodging House)

Notes:

Married:
Register Office At Westminster

Witnesses:


Helen Southern Anne Robertson


-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Helen SOUTHERN Widow (Head) U Female 53 Middlesex, England Toy Shop Keeper Mary Ann HILLS Lodger M Female 40 St Thomas Exeter Cook Domestic Elenor JULE Lodger U Female 22 Gravesend Dressmaker


-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Source Information: Dwelling 31 High (St Maylebone) Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341035 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0163 / 29 Page Number 3

Now a restaurant

She was also living there in 1871 marked as a "Widow" and Dressmaker aged 41 but as "Hellen" or it may be just a big "e". Living with George Rillham, Lodger, aged 26 and a "Conductor".


Helen Southern living in 1891 with her son in 23 Oxford St Newcastle upon Tyne aged 63

Frank W B Southern (36) born Marylebone.

In 1871, Frank was already in Newcastle as a Sorting Office Clerk. By 1881 he had got to Elswick nearby.

In 1861, we find Helen at 81 High Street Marylebone, as a Widow, aged 30, living with: 3 year old Arthur Clara Marshall, a servant, from Paddington and George Deane, a bus conductor from Croydon. So no clues.