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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:51:36 -0700 From: Judy Roberts Reply-To: robertsj@istar.ca Subject: My Godden Family

Hello Again Richard

I am sending you two lines, both direct meaning no other siblings unless relevant.

Thomas Godden of Brabourne and Penelope (nee could be Sladden because there is a son named that). Thomas died 1663, I have a copy of a will to that effect. Their daughter Joane (She is the one I told you about before) married 05 Dec 1665, to Thomas Cullen at St. Mary Bredin, Canterbury. He was a weaver.

Thomas & Joane Cullen had a son Richard born 1669. He married Affrey Jenkin, 03 Dec 1699 at Folkestone. Their son James b 24 Jun 1711 married twice, first Margaret Hogben 1734 second Mary Ovel 1746, he was a cordwainer. Their son Richard b 17 Nov 1754 married Alive Jeffrey 10 Jan 1775. He was a mariner and the first member of the family to work for the Rothchilds. Alice lived to be 99.

Now their son Thomas b 29 Dec 1790 married Susanna Dixon 01 Aug 1811. He was also a mariner and also worked for the Rothchilds. They had a son Thomas b 15 Oct 1815 married Mary Wiles Godden (I will trace Mary's Goddens when I have finish this). This Thomas had quite a varied career but always worked for the Rothchilds, moved away from Folkestone to the Dulwich area where there is a family stone at Nunhead. From here on down everything is documented. Their son Frederick b 09 Sep 1860 married Selina Adelaide Warr, they had a daughter Emma Maud b 1889 married Archie Joseph George Marsh, these were my grandparents.

Mary Wiles Godden's ancestors (I think you will be interested in this as I think this our connection).

Stephen Godden b 08 Aug 1613 Maidstone married Elizabeth Hall 20 Mar 1648. He died 1709. I have his will also. He was a cooper. Now Stephen & Elizabeth had a son Stephen b 12 Sep 1653 who married Mary Gardiner 1674 in Folkestone. Steven had a son Thomas b 01 Jan 1672 who married Elizabeth and had a son also named Thomas b 06 Sep 1703. This Thomas married Mary Baker and had a son named Richard who appears to have married twice first to Elizabeth Sladden and then to Elizabeth Puttee. They had two sons, one, Richard b 14 Jun 1778 who married Martha Golden and, two, David b 22 Dec 1780 who married Margaret Wiles. He married for a second time but it is the first marriage that produced Mary Wiles Godden. So there you are hope it will be of some use to you.

Regards Judy ------ Submitter to IGI of Richard Godden information is ROBERT F. Harris 23 ARCHER ROAD FOLKESTONE, KENT, ENGLAND Microfilm: 1394051 Submission: AF83-010065 ---------------

In case you don't have this info on Richard (1744). "Richard GODDEN was a landlord of the 'Three Mackerel' on the Strade. It was a well known haunt of Excisemen, and when it was demolished, circa 1936, moving wall panels and hides for contraband goods were found. Richard was co-owner of 'Flying Fish' 136 tons, 10 carriage guns. His partner was William BOXER. There are accounts...(pages lost)... among clean linen in a laundry basket. Richard and Elizabeth GODDEN were the grandparents of Mary Wiles GODDEN, who married Thomas CULLEN the banker's agent, and went with him to live in France in 1837." "Sue" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001

----- There is conflicting evidence on whether Richard Godden was married twice (Elizabeth Sladden and Elizabeth Puttee), or there were two Richard Goddens married separately. I personally believe the best evidence is for one Richard Godden to be married to two Elizabeths, but further confirmation one way or the other would be welcomed.

Here is the one Richard, two wives scenario that some sources have:

Husband Richard Godden Christening: 16 OCT 1744 Folkestone, Kent, England Marriage: 09 MAY 1771 Folkestone, Kent, England Father: Thomas Godden Mother: Mary Baker

Wife Elizabeth Sladden Birth: About 1750 Folkestone, Kent, England Marriage: 09 MAY 1771 Folkestone, Kent, England

Children 1. Mary Godden
Female Christening: August 30, 1771 Folkestone, Kent, England

2. Elizabeth Godden
Female Christening: 04 DEC 1772 Folkestone, Kent, England Death: 17 JAN 1773

3. Thomas Godden
Male
Birth: Christening: January 26, 1774 Folkestone, Kent, England

Following this line, it is believed Elizabeth Sladden died between 1774 and 1777, with Richard Godden remarrying as follows based on information from Penny Hiatt Name: Richard GODDEN Sex: M Marriage 1 Elizabeth PUTTEE b: 1754 in Folkestone, Kent, England Married: 11 AUG 1777 in Folkestone, Kent, England Children Richard GODDEN b: 1778 in Folkestone, Kent, England David GODDEN b: 1779 in Folkestone, Kent, England David GODDEN b: 1780 in Folkestone, Kent, England William GODDEN b: 1783 in Folkestone, Kent, England William GODDEN b: 1786 in Folkestone, Kent, England Elizabeth GODDEN b: 1787 in Folkestone, Kent, England Alexander GODDEN b: 1790 in Folkestone, Kent, England John GODDEN b: 1794 in Folkestone, Kent, England

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Still others say Elizabeth Sladden did not die and the following children should be attributed to her as follows (but overlooking the three children listed above born between 1771-1774):

Husband Richard Godden Christening: 16 OCT 1744 Folkestone, Kent, England Marriage: 09 MAY 1771 Folkestone, Kent, England Father: Thomas Godden Mother: Mary Baker

Wife Elizabeth Sladden Birth: About 1750 Folkestone, Kent, England Marriage: 09 MAY 1771 Folkestone, Kent, England

Children 1. Richard Godden
Male Christening: 14 JUN 1778 Folkestone, Kent, England

2. David Godden
Male Christening: 08 OCT 1779 Folkestone, Kent, England Death: 14 MAR 1780

3. David Godden
Male
Birth: Christening: 22 DEC 1780 Folkestone, Kent, England

4. William Godden
Male Christening: 31 AUG 1783 Folkestone, Kent, England Death: 21 JUN 1785

5. William Godden
Male
Christening: 22 JAN 1786 Folkestone, Kent, England Death: 04 MAR 1787

6. Elizabeth Godden
Female
Christening: About 1787 Folkestone, Kent, England Death: 31 DEC 1790

7. Alexander Godden Christening: 20 JUN 1790 Folkestone, Kent, England Death: 03 FEB 1791

8. John Godden
Male
Christening: 23 FEB 1794 Folkestone, Kent, England

IGI Source Information: Film Number: 457685

Richard married Elizabeth PUTTEE on 11 Aug 1777 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. Elizabeth (daughter of David PUTTEE and Mary BURWASH) was born in Aug 1754 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 23 Aug 1754 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died in 1834 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Married:
Ric GODDEN Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse:
Eliz PUTTEE Marriage:
11 Aug 1777
Folkestone, Kent, England Source Information: IGI Batch number: M020721

Eliz PUTTEE Sex: F Marriage(s): Spouse: Ric GODDEN Marriage: 11 Aug 1777 Folkestone, Kent, England Source Information: IGI Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type M020721 1635-1840 0908172 IT 2 Film 6906424 Film

1. Richard GODDEN was born in Jun 1778 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 14 Jun 1778 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.
2. David GODDEN was born in Oct 1779 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 8 Oct 1779 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died before Dec 1780.
3. David GODDEN was born on 22 Dec 1780; was christened on 22 Dec 1780 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.
4. William GODDEN was born in Aug 1783 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 31 Aug 1783 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died before Jan 1786.
5. William GODDEN was born in Jan 1786 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 22 Jan 1786 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.
6. Elizabeth GODDEN was born between Nov and Dec 1787 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 2 Dec 1787 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died on 31 Dec 1790 in Folkestone, , Kent, England.
7. Alexander GODDEN was born in Jun 1790 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 20 Jun 1790 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.
8. John GODDEN was born in Feb 1794 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 23 Feb 1794 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.

Richard married Elizabeth SLADDEN on 9 May 1771 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. Elizabeth was born about 1755; died about 1777. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Mary GODDEN was born in Aug 1771 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 30 Aug 1771 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.
2. Elizabeth GODDEN was born between Nov and Dec 1772 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 4 Dec 1772 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died on 17 Jan 1773.
3. Thomas GODDEN was born in Jan 1774 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 26 Jan 1774 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.

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• Name: Thomas GOODEN
• Name: Thomas GOODEN
• Reference Number: HO2B-WQ
• Alt. Birth: 26 Sep 1703; Folkestone, Kent, England

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Thomas GODDEN Sex: M Event(s): Birth: 26 Sep 1703
Folkestone, Kent, England Parents: Father: Thomas GODDEN Mother: Elizabeth IGI Source Information: Film Number: 452070


Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:51:36 -0700 From: Judy Roberts Reply-To: robertsj@istar.ca Subject: My Godden Family

Hello Again Richard

I am sending you two lines, both direct meaning no other siblings unless relevant.

Thomas Godden of Brabourne and Penelope (nee could be Sladden because there is a son named that). Thomas died 1663, I have a copy of a will to that effect Their daughter Joane (She is the one I told you about before) married 05 Dec 1665, to Thomas Cullen at St. Mary Bredin, Canterbury. He was a weaver.

Thomas & Joane Cullen had a son Richard b 03 Dec 1669, he married Affrey Jenkin, 03 Dec 1699 at Folkestone. Their son James b 24 Jun 1711 married twice, first Margaret Hogben 1734 second Mary Ovel 1746, he was a cordwainer. Their son Richard b 17 Nov 1754 married Alive Jeffrey 10 Jan 1775, he was a mariner and the first member of the family to work for the Rothchilds, Alice lived to be 99.

Now their son Thomas b 29 Dec 1790 married Susanna Dixon 01 Aug 1811, he was also a mariner and also worked for the Rothchilds. They had a son Thomas b 15 Oct 1815 married Mary Wiles Godden (I will trace Mary's Goddens when I have finish this). This Thomas had quite a varied career but always worked for the Rothchilds, moved away from Folkestone to the Dulwich area where there is a family stone at Nunhead. From here on down everything is documented. Their son Frederick b 09 Sep 1860 married Selina Adelaide Warr, they had a daughter Emma Maud b 1889 married Archie Joseph George Marsh, these were my grandparents.

Mary Wiles Godden's ancestors ( I think you will be interested in this as I think this our connection.

Stephen Godden b 08 Aug 1613 Maidstone married Elizabeth Hall 20 Mar 1648 He died 1709 I have his will also, he was a cooper. Now Stephen & Elizabeth had a son Stephen b 12 Sep 1653 who married Mary Gardiner 1674 in Folkestone. Steven had a son Thomas b 01 Jan 1672 who married Elizabeth and had a son also named Thomas b 06 Sep 1703. This Thomas married Mary Baker and had a son named Richard who appears to have married twice first to Elizabeth Sladden and then to Elizabeth Puttee. They had two sons, one Richard b 14 Jun 1778 who married Martha Golden an, two, David b 22 Dec 1780 who married Margaret Wiles. He married for a second time but it is the first marriage that produced Mary Wiles Godden. So there you are hope it will be of some use to you.

Regards Judy

The double year on the date refers to the old and new calendar; using 1701/1702 as an example, the date would be 1701 old calendar (Julian) the calendar used at the time or 1702 new calendar (Gregorian) the one we use now. Britain (and its North American colonies) used the Julian Calendar until September 1752, under which New Year's Day was officially March 25th and not January 1st.

Meanwhile, many of the countries on the Continent of Europe had been using a year that began on January 1st as well as adopting the Gregorian calendar from 1582 onwards.

Thus a day that fell between January 1st and March 24th in Britain could be in the year 1701 while in Europe it would have been in 1702. To avoid confusion year dates were written in the style 1701/02. This means that the date is somewhere between January 1st and March 24th in the official year 1701 but in the actual year 1702 assuming that years begin on January 1st.

You have to be careful about dates in the months Jan-24 March in the old calender as these came at the end of the year therefore a person born Jan 5 would be younger than a person born June 5 but if you use the new style calendar then the months fall as they do now.

The Gregorian calendar was finally adopted in 1752 the year they dropped the 11 days Sept. 3-13 to correct the calendar in England other countries change at different times.

The double date refers to the calendar change when England changed from the Julian calender. In addition, the beginning of the new year was changed from Mar 25 to Jan 1. So if someone was born between, say, Feb 11, as a certain George Washington, the year could be written with two dates, depending on whether you went by the old system or new system.

The rest of the world (meaning Catholic Europe, actually) had changed calendars a couple of hundred years back, in 1582, but since England didn't like to rush into things, (and was in a dispute with the pope at the time), it didn't go along with the change, and kept the old system. But many educated people thought the change should have been made back in 1582 when the rest of Europe changed, so they would write the date showing both dates, meaning that although Feb 11 was to some, 1701, they thought it should really be 1702. Eventually (1752) the British government decided that this new-fangled idea was going to stick around, so they changed the calendar too. To make the dates of things like Easter (which depends on the spring moon, etc.) fall where they should, they lopped 11 days off between Sept 2 and 14th. There were riots in the streets from people who thought they were being cheated out of 11 days of life.

Thomas married Mary BAKER on 15 Sep 1729 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. Mary (daughter of Thomas BAKER and Dorothy GILBERT) was born in 1708 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 19 Dec 1708 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died after 6 Aug 1756. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 9EF5F0A05F44444A980FCD10F4E7042CE31D
• Occupation: Twice Mayor of Folkestone
• Alt. Death: Aft 6 Aug 1756; (Will Dated), Folkestone, Kent, England

Notes:

According to Shelley Haigger: "Looking at some of the BAKERs on your website, I think that you may be interested in the following (from ancient monumental inscriptions etc.):

Thomas BAKER died Sep 1756 age 75. Twice mayor. Left 2 sons and 4 daughters - Thomas, John, Mary, Elizabeth, ........, ........... ."





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Thomas married Dorothy GILBERT on 7 Jan 1708 in Postling, , Kent, England. Dorothy was born in 1677 in Chartham, , Kent, England; was christened on 3 Jan 1677 in Chartham, , Kent, England; died on 22 Mar 1761 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: DE286D4B7335491F8DC70FA3D6055F5E6C7E
• Reference Number: GZZK-XM-3

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Gilbert, Dorothy Death : 22 Mar 1761 Folkstone, Kent, England Gender: Female Parents: Father: Gilbert, John Mother: POOLYN, Dorothy

Family: Marriage: 7 Jan 1707/8 in Postling, Kent, England Spouse: BAKER, Thomas Death : aft 6 Aug 1756 (Will Dated), Folkestone, Kent, England Gender: Male Parents: Father: BAKER, Robert Mother: CHAPMAN, Mary

Children: BAKER, Mary BAKER, Elizabeth BAKER, Ann BAKER, Thomas BAKER, Susanna BAKER, John

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• Occupation: Inn Holder
• Reference Number: HO13-PM

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Name: Robert BAKER -902 Birth: 1642

According to notes provided by Paul Foulger: Robert Baker was an Innholder who "w. 27 June 1706"

Burried Bef 10 Oct. 1706 (Will Probated)


See also: http://home.att.net/~kvaars/genealogy/dat78.htm





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Robert married Mary CHAPMAN on 11 Jun 1667 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. Mary (daughter of Stephen (Steven) CHAPMAN and Margaret ELGAR) was born in 1644 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died in 1714 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: AF26F5735D8145CF91FA22003BFB7A8F1BD1
• Reference Number: HO13-QS

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Mary (b1644) married Robert BAKER (b Abt 1642) in Folkestone, Kent on 11 June 1667. They had 13 children and the list goes on and on.