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• Name: Susan BOXER
• Name: Susanna BOXER

Notes:

I had listed Susannah as the daughter of Richard BOXER and Margaret WATSON but that has since been proven to be incorrect (see research notes for further details).

(Research):John Copley May 20 2012

Comments: Susannah Boxer & James Morford are amongst my wife's ancestors. For a long time I had stalled at her parentage, and I was aware of the debate you record about whether the daughter of Richard Boxer & Margaret Watson married either Thomas Spearpoint or James Morford. I now have what I think is the definitive answer. The will of Margaret Boxer, widow of Richard, dated 25 Apr 1773, names "My daughter Susan the wife of James Morfit of Folkstone, Baker". The will also names inter alia her son Watson Boxer, so I'm sure it's the correct family.

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I had earlier (and erroneously) changed this Susan Boxer to the wife of James Morford, rather than Thomas Spearpoint based on the following information from Leslie Huppert:

"Your GEDCOM reminded me that back in November we corresponded with Jan McMaster of Sydney, Australia. Jan is descended from Susan Boxer and Thomas SPEARPOINT. When we began comparing notes, though, there was some confusion and we've not yet heard back from Jan. She had Susan, born 1722 to Richard and Margaret Boxer, marrying Mr Spearpoint. Well, that Susan is MY Susan who married James MORFORD. At least, I'm fairly certain that's the case. I note that your data, like Jan's, has:
2 Susannah Boxer b. 2 Mar 1721/22 d. 21 Apr 1802 m. 30 Nov 1744 Thomas Spearpoint b. 4 Nov 1722 d. ABT. 1779
from SS Mary & Eanswythe Parish Register: Susan and Hannah twin daughters of Richard and Margaret Boxer. Allow me to present my argument (apologies to Sue and Dee, who've heard it before).

"James Morford, a baker, son of Peter and Mary, was baptised in Folkesone at the age of 7. Upon his 13 Jan 1745 marriage to Susan BOXER he became a Freeman of Folkestone. He and Susan had nine children, with the first born in 1745 and the last in 1763.

"The IGI shows a Susan BOXER marrying Thomas SPEARPOINT in 1744, their first child baptised in 1745 and their last in 1763 - so nine kids in twenty one years. Very similar data! I looked at the names of the children and found - MORFORD Susan, Margaret (for maternal grandmother?), Mary, Sarah, Thomas, Ann, Elizabeth, James and Hannah (for mother's twin sister?) SPEARPOINT Susan, Henry, Thomas, Baker, Ann, Elizabeth, Ann, Mary and James

"Interestingly, not a single son was named Richard, which might have clarified matters! The IGI lists only three Susan Boxers in Kent christened in the same timeframe (sort of) and they are: Susan d. James/Elizabeth 18 Mar 1709 Folkestone Susan d. RIchard/Margaret bp 1722 Susan d. Jacob/Mary bp 2 Jun 1731 Folkestone

If one assumes they were christened in infancy, then:
1744 1745 1763 Susan d. James age 35 age 36 age 54 Susan d. Richard age 22 age 23 age 41 Susan d. Jacob age 13 age 14 age 32

Would appreciate your comments.

Regards,
Lesley
Constance Bay, Ontario
http://www.cyberus.ca/~huppert"

However, this was subsequently reversed: Hi Jan. Good to hear from you.

At 08:26 PM 5/19/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Lesley, > I have some bad news for you, I finally found out how old Susan > Boxer-Spearpoint was when she died. She died 21 April 1802 aged 80 which > makes her birth year 1722, which leaves a question mark as to who your > Susan Boxer is. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Well, that certainly seems to settle it, doesn't it? Susan Boxer Spearpoint married in 1744, so she would have been about 22, based on her age at death. Her last child was christened in 1763, when she'd have been 41. And she didn't name any of her children after her mother or father. Not unheard of, of course.

As you say, that leaves the field wide open for my Susan Boxer Morford who married in 1745! I will have to relay the bad news by snail mail to other researchers who (erroneously) came to the same conclusions as me. I now need to search for the post-1763 burial for Susan Boxer Morford and hope that her age is given so that I can sort out her parents. My fault for breaking one of the rules of genealogy - bury your dead! She might be the daughter of James and Elizabeth (bp 1709) - or she might even have been a widow when she married James Morford.

I will keep in touch and let you know what I find out. In the meantime, can you give me details of your descent from Susan Boxer Spearpoint?

Just to confirm what I mentioned previously, Sue in Australia is descended through Ann Boxer (sister of Susan) TART so you and she are definitely connected.

Regards,
Lesley
Constance Bay, Ontario
21 May 2001


----------------------- Other notes:

Birth information from Folkestone SS Mary and Eanswyth Parish Register Call Number: U3/88 Note: NS18033

Susan and Hannah were twin Daughter's of Richard and Margaret Boxer.

I have a connection with Boxer's of Folkstone Kent. It is with a Susannah Boxer who married into the Morford family of Folkstone in 1745 a long way back I'm afraid.

They had a Margaret 1747, Mary 1749, Sarah 1751,Elizabeth 1759, Harriet 1764,James 1761. I suspect there were more children in between but haven't found them.

Peter Morford and Mary was James father 1722.

Sheila Jackson , posted Dec 7, 2000.

Also have Boxer family members in Folkestone, Katrina Link

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Note, Batch #: M020721, Sheet #:, Source Call #: 0908172 IT 2.
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Susannah married Thomas SPEARPOINT on 30 Nov 1744 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. Thomas (son of Henry SPEARPOINT and Joan PENNY) was born on 4 Nov 1722 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 4 Nov 1722 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died about 1779 in Folkestone, , Kent, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Married:
Marriage record from Folkestone SS Mary and Eanswyth Parish Register Call Number: U3/88 Note: NS18033

1. Susannah SPEARPOINT was born in Sep 1745 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 20 Sep 1745 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died on 8 Nov 1817 in Folkestone, , Kent, England.
2. Henry SPEARPOINT was born on 14 Aug 1747 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 15 Aug 1747 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.
3. Thomas SPEARPOINT was born on 27 Mar 1749 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 27 Mar 1749 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.
4. Baker SPEARPOINT was born on 15 Feb 1751 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 15 Feb 1751 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.
5. Ann SPEARPOINT was born in Mar 1753 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 16 Mar 1753 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died on 26 Oct 1756 in Folkestone, , Kent, England.
6. Elizabeth SPEARPOINT was born in Aug 1755 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 29 Aug 1755 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died on 23 Aug 1765 in Folkestone, , Kent, England.
7. Ann SPEARPOINT was born in Nov 1757 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 18 Nov 1757 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died on 5 Sep 1765 in Folkestone, , Kent, England.
8. Mary SPEARPOINT was born on 13 Feb 1760 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 18 Feb 1760 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; died on 9 Feb 1827 in Folkestone, , Kent, England.
9. James SPEARPOINT was born in Apr 1763 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; was christened on 22 Apr 1763 in Folkestone, , Kent, England; and died.